[Iguana]

Originally Posted by remek

Iguana: Amazing post! You've provided several new, unique concepts here.
Thanks remek! I hope some of these can be tested and verified. I think we have enough PE related experiences to start intelligently putting some of the pieces together.

I agree that enlarging the SM and enlarging the tunica might require different exercise strategies. As we know, the tunica is a tough tendon-like tissue. The CC/CS is, well, muscle. Stretching tendons and enlarging muscle probably needs two different approaches.





That said, I have a few questions:

1. Why is it that you believe jelqing/clamping/pumping works out the smooth muscle and not the tunica?

Sorry, I may have not been very clear on this. I think any stress force will get a growth response with both tissue types. I was just emphasizing that certain exercises seem to be more effective at targeting the differing tissue.

Jelqing, in one form, is akin to a light stretch (that's why I think it provides length gains too)

I agree totally. Light being the key word here. If you think about it. During jelqing, the hand really never firmly grips the tunica but slides repeatedly over it in a tugging motion. I think as the tunica tissue toughens this becomes less and less effective.

• Doesn't clamping and pumping stretches the penis as well - only outward?

Yes, I agree, they most certainly do stretch the penis. I just think it lessens the effectiveness for length. With manual stretching the force is concentrated on one axis. With pumping and clamping the force is distributed outwardly also. Which is fine if you are looking for girth gains.

2. Similarly, why doesn't stretching/hanging workout the SM? Doesn't stretching put stress loads on the vascular cavities as well?

Absolutely! You may have missed it, but I stated: "It is well documented that several factors can elicit a growth response in smooth muscle cells, including, but not limited to, stretching..." One article has great support for this. Here is another case where concentrated force may be the key. With stretching (at least for me) the tunica (and sometimes the ligs) seem to absorb most of the stress, while with jelqing, pumping and clamping I seem to feel it more in the tissue.

3. Why can't you focus on doing both at the same time? (i.e. stretching and jelqing, hanging and clamping, etc)

I think as long as your FSL stays far enough ahead of your EL you should be able to work both effectively.

This isn't to say I don't agree with your theory. I think you have some very interesting thoughts going on. At the very least, you've provided an attempt to tie everything together. At the very best, you might have just found out a completely new way to PE, and - most importantly - gain

Your post reminds me a lot of the way Big Girtha use to train. He didn't really split things up, but he focused heavily on both hanging and clamping. Or, according to your theory, he focused on enlarging both the SM and the tunica - which is no doubt needed for big gains.

If I recall correctly, Big Girtha would use cable clamps on and off for 40 minutes to an hour, and then he would hang or 20 or so minutes. He did this for several sets, as he worked from home. It worked for him, as he fulfilled his the prophecy of his name by gaining over 2 inches in girth and 1.5 inches in length.

You are right on! That seems to be an underlying factor in almost all big gainers (bib, girtha, aristocane, etc.) They push the limits after the newbie gains are gone. I think once you hit the plastic deformation stage you better be prepared to pull out the big guns. I think by this time the "less is more" approach goes out the window. Tissue at this point is VERY tough. It is used to you tugging and yanking on it. You need to push the envelope to make headway. I'm not advocating strapping an anvil to your penis but I think new approaches are absolutely necessary to get results, be it with time, weight, angle, heat, or whatever.

Speaking of, I think we still undervalue/under use the resource of heat. I was reading an scientific article on what makes meat tough and how scientist are trying to engineer leaner softer beef. It stated that heat was the most valuable tool for breaking down collagen into a soft pliable substance. Collagen becomes a soft gel at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. I wouldn't recommend applying that to your penis although. : )

I may be the eternal optimist but I can't help but feel PE is approaching a major breakthrough.