[Iguana]

Originally Posted by remek

Great finds, Iguana! The scientific journals you referenced go along with what I've been assuming all along (yet had no scientific backing for) - the smooth muscle grows with increased pressure. This also explains why veins get bigger due to PE, and why it might be a healthy sign that the SM is growing.

Exactly! Wow! I had never thought about the increased veinage! That's another early sign newbies report.

Originally Posted by remek;

This also builds a little evidence for something I've believed in for a long time - to keep the gains coming, you have to increase the intensity as time goes on (albeit healthfully).

Another excellent point! I had never thought of this either. I think most guys pretty much keep the same intensity level when jelqing for their entire PE career. They usually just up the reps. Everyone knows to up the intensity when hanging, pumping and stretching. Why hasn't anyone suggested up the jelq levels. Or, maybe that have and I missed it. I know it's definitely not mainstream thinking.

Originally Posted by remek;

You know what would really help is if we could build a list of signs to help people know when they need to focus on one or the other. If the theory is sound, then this would be a completely new way to PE - and it would almost be akin to the importance of following the PIs.

Good idea. Might be useful to take a look at the PI list for some clues to what might be going on?

Originally Posted by remek;

Didn't you mention earlier that you think an increased BPFSL means the tunica is stretched and thus it would be a good time to focus on the SM?

Perhaps another one is increased flaccid hang. The tunica is stretched, so the penis stays in a bigger flaccid state. In this case, what would be the best to focus on?

Or what about the firmness of the penis? Have you ever noticed that sometimes the penis feels very strong and firm - almost like when a bike tire is pushed to it's complete maximum? It's almost as if the SM is trying to buldge out of the tunica. It doesn't always happen - or at least for me - rather every once in a while. Perhaps it's a sign?

YES!!! Think about it! If the tunica is tight and constricted the internal pressure will be great, resulting in a very hard erection. If the tunica is stretched out over what it is normally accustomed to and the SM is not expanding enough to take up the excess space, a softer less rigid erection would be the result. The bicycle tire illustration was perfect.

I was thinking, we start newbies out with "The Newbie Routine". Which is jelqing and stretching. It seems most newbies are jelq happy and don't stretch as much as they should. Also, notice that usually the very first change they report is an EQ improvement - filling in the SM gap?

This could explain why some guys complain of their EQ suffering at times. Maybe they are focusing too much on stretching and not on SM targeting exercises? It would be interesting to see if guys with a higher BPFSL to BPEL ratio have softer erections. Logically, you would think so. We have always attributed this to over training. Maybe it is? - over training the tunica.

Originally Posted by remek;

Perhaps another one is increased flaccid hang. The tunica is stretched, so the penis stays in a bigger flaccid state. In this case, what would be the best to focus on?

I think we push the tunica to stretch further but until we start breaking the elastic bands, it snaps right back. If the tunica elastic is exhausted and you have reached your plastic deformation stage. By this time, your flaccid hang should be pretty massive (at least in relation to what it was.) Am I way off on this one?

As far as what to focus on at this stage? I think we would have to examine our TIs (tissue indicators?, sorry! for lack of a better term.) What is our BPFSL to BPEL ratio? How is our EQ? If you are having rock hard erections at this point, I would say hit the tunica. This SHOULD mean your BPFSL to BPEL ratio is low. If your EQ is poor I would focus on SM to see if I could improve EQ and fill the BPFSL to BPEL gap.

Originally Posted by remek;

These are just some ideas. I could be going out a limb here, but feel free to scrutinize

remek, not a limb at all! Great ideas and insight!!! We should start a list of indicators and see how what we know fits. What about a poll on how BPFSL/BPEL affects EQ? Just a side note, right before I started my decon break. My BPFSL was way up. Almost 3/4" over my BPEL. AND, my EQ was starting to be really poor!

Maybe were on to something?