[Iguana]

remek, I'm kind of confused myself. The way I understand it (I may be wrong) smooth muscle is classified as peripheral blood vessels, meaning it dilates. This would make sense. As I mentioned earlier, caffeine is found in many headache medicines. Constriction of blood vessels is a known cause of many common headache types. It would makes sense to get relief the vessels would need to be relaxed/dilated.

The other type mentioned is CNS (central nervous system) blood vessels. These appear to constrict. This would explain why caffeine makes some people nervous and hyper-active.

If this is the correct understanding, it could mean caffeine would play a positive role in PE. Either way, it deserves further investigation.

[remek]

Originally Posted by Iguana

The other type mentioned is CNS (central nervous system) blood vessels. These appear to constrict. This would explain why caffeine makes some people nervous and hyper-active.

If this is the correct understanding, it could mean caffeine would play a positive role in PE. Either way, it deserves further investigation.

Overly nervous and hyper-active PEers--it sounds like a bad combination to me.

Either way, we'll be doing another survey here sometime next year. My goal is next summer - maybe sooner. I'll definitely ask about caffeine this time around.

[HotRod]

Originally Posted by quik4life

Some members, however, argue that weed has allowed them to be more relaxed for when their perform certain PE exercises, like stretches and jelqs, and as a results, has given them gains. Personally, I think these members are just using their gains to justify them smoking weed. Other members who don't smoke weed but smoke cigarettes have also had some amazing gains.

My advice is to lay off the weed and cigs, regardless of their affect on PE. After all, you can't smoke weed and jelq at the same time. Pick one and stick with it.

Alcohol is probably more of a problem than any of these substances.

I'm a cannabis consumer, but I rarely smoke it. I use a vaporizer, maybe a few times each month and in extremely small doses with extremely high quality strains. I get a little lift and then go about my personal business, almost always in the privacy of my own home.

I'm a runner and have never had any problems with my lungs due to my moderate cannabis use.

Most of the "science" on cannabis is hysterical junk science anyway. Anybody who sat down and smoked a whole joint of the quality bud I get would be catatonic. They'd deserve to have lung damage for wasting so much THC.

THC has been proven to relax muscles. I know from experience that stretching while high is a very pleasant experience and my leg muscles tend to release quite readily. I would tend to think of this as a supplemental practice rather than the norm.

The same probably applies to the smooth muscle of the penis, but who knows.

I doubt that people who are reporting positive experiences with PE while high are "justifying their weed use." There's a lot more wrong with alcohol use than there is with weed use. It's just fashionable to think of marijuana users as stereotyped drug addicts. But this is quite far from the truth. I won't personally touch alcohol ever. I hate the stuff and it shows in my health. I'm 40, but people look at me and think I'm 30.

Moderation is key in anything pleasurable.

[remek]

Originally Posted by HotRod

Moderation is key in anything pleasurable.

I think you hit the nail on the head in this statement. Reminds me of an article I read in Men's Health about a small town off the coast of Italy (can't recall the name). This town regularly has people live past their 100's - some in their 110s and beyond. I think the "town record" was 130 something. This was never "official," as he died sometime early last century.

Anyway, these people live by the motto "Everything is healthy in moderation, everything is unhealthy in excess." This is largely one of the things they accredit their longevity to.

I'm sure the same most things are healthy in moderation, including cannabis. Alcohol is good in moderation. In fact, they now say a glass or two of alcohol a day is healthy for you.

[bodistava]

So I have changed a few things recently that might help clear some of this up. I'll start with smoking cigaretts, I obviously stopped them back in early November because any good PEr knows smoking is bad for the dick, and so far we are right. Smoking just plain sucks, and I hate it now, but I have noticed it's affects on my PEing and the PIs I have experienced since I have stopped. To make things interesting, Since the Start of the year I have also abstained from alcohol, red meat, pork, masturbation(for the most part) and caffine. I have also made some positive changes to my diet and exercise routine such as A lysine supplement a daily multi V and an overall better diet. For all these changes I have made I have yet to remove cannabis from my routine. I notice that wether I have done my routine or not within minutes of using cannabis my flacid hang is around 5 1/2 to 6 inches which is almost my EL. The girth is quite increased as well, almost to my EG. I tend to use it right before my routine because not only does it relax me it's also a vasodialator. I've found it easier to work with my penis when it(and I) is more relaxed. I'm not saying its just because of weed, I feel alot of my progress has come from the combination of life changes I have made, but cannabis might have played a part just as much as arginine does for others. There is no short cut in my opinion, no super supplement, and no ultimate device. It's entirely up to you to put in the time and have the disipline it takes to see results, and I feel that any results are worth while. Good luck to everyone, it's time to go to work.

[HotRod]

Originally Posted by remek

Alcohol is good in moderation. In fact, they now say a glass or two of alcohol a day is healthy for you.

Some of the recent reports of alcohol having some health benefits, especially for the heart, have left out something called "proxy variables." These are variables that would have been difficult to control for in any medical study. I read an interesting challenge to the idea that any amount of alcohol could be healthy. It pointed out that many of the healthy people who had moderate alcohol habits drank wine exclusively. It further reduced this showing that people who drink wine have healthier living habits in general: more exercise and more fruits and vegetables in their diets. So it was more about a set of living habits that made these wine drinkers healthier.

There are indeed some micronutrients in red wine that are very healthy. But these can be found in fresh fruit and fruit juices too without the alcohol.

Alcohol does put stress on any tissue it comes into contact with, and is especially hard on the liver.

I certainly don't oppose alcohol use. I'm just skeptical of reports that alcohol itself may have a health benefit. In a way I wish I liked it a little more. I tried having a glass of wine last summer and just about gagged. The alcohol just tastes like furniture polish to me.

[HotRod]

Originally Posted by bodistava

I notice that wether I have done my routine or not within minutes of using cannabis my flacid hang is around 5 1/2 to 6 inches which is almost my EL. The girth is quite increased as well, almost to my EG. I tend to use it right before my routine because not only does it relax me it's also a vasodialator. I've found it easier to work with my penis when it(and I) is more relaxed. I'm not saying its just because of weed, I feel alot of my progress has come from the combination of life changes I have made, but cannabis might have played a part just as much as arginine does for others.

Maybe the next time I have some herb I'll experiment a little.

[JonPop]

Let me tell you a story about "Pot":

Been in country (Vietnam) about 2 weeks, total Newbie.
We were bivouacked in a tent city about 3 clicks outside of Bein Hoa.
One day this little Vietnamese boy, about 10-11 years old came peeking into our tent and said, "Hey, G.I., you wanna some Mara-wanna?" Hell, I was boared to death and hadn't smoked any pot since leaving California, so it had been a couple of years with all the basic training and going to Ft. Bragg for Airborne.
I said, "How much you want for some." He said, "10 Dolla." Being from California and back then, 10 dollars would get you about a Prince Albert can full of clean Mexican pot and as I still had money and really no place to spend it as we were restricted to the area, I said, "O.K, bring me some. He came back about 30 minutes later with a brown paper bag, the size you get at the super market, full of these humongus buds. These things were as long as my arm and about 8" in diameter. I said, "Holy Shit!" and paid him the 10 dollars.
I had NEVER seen pot like this and since we didn't have any papers we used toilet paper to roll a huge joint. NOW, let me tell you, this Vietnamese pot was the most devestating thing I had ever smoked in my life. I got sooo stoned just from 3 hits that I couldn't function. I even puked and I had smoked a lot of pot in my day. Everyone that tried that big joint got totally stupid and we all spent the rest of the day sleeping or listening to music. I swear I even had an out of body experiance.
Needless to say, in a combat zone that this isn't a good way to be. I used the rest of the bag to trade for favors and goodies and never, ever for the rest of my stay, smoked more than 1 hit at a time and that was just when I was on R&R. Awww...I'd love to have some of that now.

[bodistava]

Another thing to remember is everything(ie. pills, devices ect.) isn't going to work for everyone. I don't like alcohol, I find it hard to wake up after drinking, I get mean, and I have been known to go on quiet a tear. I also work a physical job, so saying I need something to relax at the end of the day isn't out of order in my opinion. It just so happens that I started PE around the same time I started smoking pot, so the results could be entirely coincidental. I like it though!! Hot Rod, if you do experiment, take a few hits right before you do your warm up, it'll give everything time to work. Good luck

[JonPop]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating smoking anything for any reason. That incident happened over 40 years ago. But like bodistava, I still smoke a little pot ocassionally to relax and focus. I quit drinking many years ago when I saw the path I was taking.
Take the supplements I recommend in the Beginners Routine and have a healthy life style. JP