[kce]

Hello everyone,
I started PE a little more than a month and a half ago and have been following the "90 day routine" for about a month. After that I started doing some some different beginner routines and nothing is working. As a matter of fact, the only changes I noticed were an improvement in erection quality that I was able to attribute to the kegals (I figured this by stopping the kegal for about 2 weeks, and the erection quality did indeed go down). Other than that I have found nothing to really indicate that i am having any sort of effect on my penis (except maybe some brown spotting). I have read many things on this site and have heard individuals gaining fast, slowly, and in some cases nothing at all. I just need to know if I need to make any changes, or if I am just one of those individuals who cannot gain.
My exercise consisted of: 20 minute warmup (in shower), 15-20 munite stretches (in shower, and I pull straight and in 8 directions), wet jelq at about 70% erection with lotion (started at 10 but gradually moved up to 25). Later on I changed it up a bit with something I saw in the forum about doing harder and longer jelqs at aout 50-60% erection.
If anyone can provide a little insight, please let me know. Thanks again.
kce

[IdealPenis]

Hy 'KCE'
Here are my thoughts:

About those changings that you made on the routine(bad or good I can't tell) it takes time to see if it gives positive signs. This may take even months so I would advice to try to stick with a routine at least a month.

About your stretching time. On this forum you may see that most of the veterans would advice for shorter periods of time, especially on the begining.
If you realy whant to try your best with PE I would advice you to start from a shorter(time/ intensity/ volume/ frequency/ etc) routine. This because you may benefit the most adding (time/ intensity/ etc) little by little. For example start with 5 min stretching/ workout and every 2 weeks add onather minute to stretching. Do this, but if you get any negative PI stop and/or cut back on the routine time/intensity.
Another example for starting with a low intensity routine: When you try to climb or try to go up at the level 100 on a building you can not skip first level or any level. So the idea is that every level below the 100level is IMPORTANT. Without any of these levels you can't reach level 100

About jelqs. Do you do 25 reps now or 25minutes?

Most important. Find something or somethings to motivate you. When you fell down, snap out of it as soon as you are aware of this emotional state. This bad emotional state I think is at least bad as an injury. So believe in you and be positive as much as you can. And thrust me any men has a HUGE . . . . . potential !

[Larger]

kce, to the Gym. IdealPenis gave you a great analogy about going up by levels. I think of it in even smaller terms than that. You take going up a staircase one step at a time.

So if I have this correct, you stuck with the Beginner 90 Day Routine for one month, and then switched to a different routine?
Also nothing works if it's not done well enough, and as a beginner you're right to begin with a routine like JP's KP's or Babbis'. They're the stickied threads in the Beginner Forum. I spent over a week learning and making my technique better and better, it's been almost a year and I'm still bettering my technique.

There are only few logs on other forums I have read about a PEer who has not gained and he has been training for well past a year. He's a hard gainer. The changes are what's causing your problem. If you remember in the stickied threads you need to be consistent with your routine before you see gains, and then you need to be conssitent with your routine to cement those gains. The best clues to know what's working is your PIs. Follow one of the routine's I recommended to the tee, and let's see what happens in a month.

And something that I really believe: "I've never heard of anyone achieving their goal, who doubted in it."

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Larger

...And something that I really believe: "I've never heard of anyone achieving their goal, who doubted in it."

Great quote!

Initial skepticism is to be expected, but once you do your research and decide to give PE a try, you'll need to go into it with the belief that you will attain your goals. I've found that if you apply that philosophy to PE (or anything else in general), things will fall into place to get you to your goals.

[kce]

Wow quick responses! Thanks for the advice.
@ IDEALPENIS- I did 25 minutes.
The main issue I was having was not seeing any PI's (good or bad) associated with PE. This is why I had modified my routine after a month. I heard many individuals mention they gauge their workout by their PI's, but mine has been more or less non-existent. However, I do plan on sticking with the program.
Again thanks.
kce

PS. sorry for the lag, server maintenance and what not.

[Strive4Health]

Oh my god!!!! 25 minutes of jelqing!! Why don't you just rip your penis right off!?

In all seriousness, take a week to recuperate and then start doing the 90 day beginner routine and do not modify it at all. Stick with the 150 wet jelqs and do the v-jelqs on occasion.

[IdealPenis]

For every one works diffrent. For some works even just 50jelqs, for others works with hundreds of jelqs.

In my opinion only problem with these long routines at the begining is that you may hinder progress and in worst case injure your self. Personally for me I think I will benefit from jelq when I will do over 100jelq/routine(not there yet, still climbing)

So it may be the best option to start low.
This is what I do anyway.

[kce]

tghe thing is, I did 25 minutes of jelqing because the beginning routine said to add another couple minutes every week or so, so that by the end of about 4-5 weeks, I will be doing 25 minute jelqs...or did I read that wrong.

[kce]

Sorry for the double post, but i realized that i forgot the link to the exercise I was talking about :
Penis Enlargement Gym - Your First Penis Enlargement Routine

Here it explicitley states to move up during a period of five weeks to 25 minutes. This is why i am now doing 25 minutes of Jelqing.

[Strive4Health]

Huh. I've never read that before. I've read a lot of stuff on these forums and personally agree with the adage that "less is more" in the PE World. I've done no more than 200 reps at once (think maybe 5-8 minutes of jelqing) since I started 2 months ago and I've had some good gains so far. That's the main reason I would suggest cutting down the jelqing time significantly. You really haven't had any injuries yet? I know for sure if I went to 25 I'd be out of commission for a while.