[Pumper]

Originally Posted by phallic1

Ricky189, I'm in Canada (Alberta) and I finally took the chance on ordering Andractim from Allsaints.com 2 weeks ago. I sent them an email first asking if they would send it to Canada and what the chances were of me recieving it through customs. They replied that they sent Andractim to Canada all the time and have not had any problems. So I ordered two tubes and it arrived in 5 days. Service was great.

I've been using the Andractim for 4 days now and it has definatly plumped up my girth and glans size. I can feel my facial hair getting coarser as well.

Is the Andractim hurting the hair on your head?

[phallic1]

I'm only on day 6 with the Andractim and I don't see any hair falling out. 6 days is too soon to have noticeable hairloss IMO. I do have thinning hair but I don't believe DHT by itself is the factor in male pattern baldness...there are many more factors involved. I'm not worried about my hair with Andractim at all.

If it does fall out in substantial, noticeable amounts I will be letting everyone know.

[phallic1]

Bad news for the future of testosterone replacement therapy. Customs will probably start cracking down harder on online out of country AAS purchases as well.

Time to stock up on Andractim?

Testosterone too dangerous for older men – trial stopped

[Ricky189]

Customs started cracking down on steroids hard before the olympics in Vancouver. I don't think they can go much harder than they are. I am surprised they let andractim through. Maybe they didnt check your package. I havent gotten anything questionable through in years but I ad something shipped to a buddy in his name and it came. They definetly flag addresses and names so if I ordered andractim i doubt Id get it. But there is also the possiblity that customs is educated enough to know what andractim is really for and that its not for bodybuilding so they just let it go through.

[Jackxxx]

Originally Posted by phallic1

I'm only on day 6 with the Andractim and I don't see any hair falling out. 6 days is too soon to have noticeable hairloss IMO. I do have thinning hair but I don't believe DHT by itself is the factor in male pattern baldness...there are many more factors involved. I'm not worried about my hair with Andractim at all.

If it does fall out in substantial, noticeable amounts I will be letting everyone know.

How are you doing with your Andractim experiment phallic?

[phallic1]

Well, I believe today is day 15 since starting with the Andractim. So far, there has been no substantial physiological change.

One tube of Andractim contains 80g of the product. At twice daily applications to my penis, inner biceps and the "taint" area, I still have 1/2 the tube left. So, I guess I'm applying about 3 grams per day in total. It's really hard to guage how much of the stuff is being applied.

Erection level and libido has not changed significantly. My penis is more plump and the flaccid hang is better as well. I quit measuring my penis years ago as I'm more concerned with overall aesthetics than numbers. I can feel that the girth is up somewhat when erect and I'm pulling an extra 1/8"-1/4" in my pump. And realistically, 1/8" gain in circumference and or lenght is substantial...hell, from my bodybuilding days, I considered 1/8" increase in upper arm circumference a success worthy of...well something good anyhow If any form of "chemically assisted" penis growth will yield a 1/8" increase consistantly over repeated cycles then it is succesful IMO and over time could net permanent gains of 1" plus in both length and width.

Jackxxx, I agree alot with what you say about natural bodybuilding vs AAS bodybuilding. I was once an amateur bodybuilder (natural) and I read the magazines and dreamt and aspired to be the next Oliva or better, thinking that hard work and discipline was all that was required. LMAO at my ignorance. Even with gear it most likely would'nt have happened. There are a million others out there currently with similar aspirations and we both know how miserably they will fail to reach those lofty goals.

Something similar exists in the world of penis enlargement. Neophytes come in with dreams of achieving gains of 3"-4" in length and hoping for beer can girth. That is similar to me thinking I could become a Sergio Oliva by progessivally adding 5lbs to my bench every month... ha ha ha...ahhh, ain't gonna happen. Along the way I learnt what great natural gains in a realistic perspective were and I learnt to appreciate them. Point of this off track babble is I will be satisfied with Andractim if 160 grams of the product will leave me with 1/4" permanent growth.

I'm thinking that at least a minumum of 5 grams per day would yield more noticeable changes for myself. I was hoping to make each tube last for a one month "cycle" but I'm just not feeling that I'm absorbing enough of the active hormone. But it's only been 2 weeks, very short period of time to expect to see measurable gains, especially considering that I'm not new to the PE game at all.

The Andractim experiment will continure till the two tubes are empty which could 6 weeks.

Jackxxx, do you think there would be any purpose or need to take a break from the Andractim as some say. I don't fully believe in the AR down regulation theory...enlighten me with your thoughts please.

[Jackxxx]

Yes it is necessary to take a break from Andractim. The AR down regulation changes from person to person, but most importantly, the break is to allow your HPTA to regulate and normally secrete LH and FSH. DHT affects the HPTA by negative signal loop.

[Pumper]

Originally Posted by Darren

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading your posts. I did the igf-1 and pge-1 injections for 2 months.
Only quit because it got to expensive for me. I gained 1/4 inch in thickness, nothing
in length. Would like to start again. I never injected testosterone cyp into my penis
but i believe it might just work because i think it would convert into dht right inside the
penis making for a very high concentration of dht. i used 2 tubes of the dht cream from
allsaints. Not sure if it helped but i do not think it soaked into the penis, just the skin.
Please remember if you do this that it takes very little pge-1 to cause a priapism!

Thanks,
Darren

Hi Darren.

I am looking through these forums for solid evidence that someone is actually gaining via IGF1 injections. I want to supplement my upcoming PGE1/Papaverine injection routine with IGF1 LR3 or IGF2 LR3, and am gathering clinical data. Are you certain that the 1/4-inch gain is homeostatic, new cell structure, and not just a transient tissue pump? Are you sure that the dominant effect was from the IGF1 and not just from the extreme pumps you were achieving with the PGE1--that you would have had a strong growth response anyway based entirely PGE1-achieved tissue-stress? Certainly the stress leads to strain, which, in turn, leads to hyperplasia, which is exactly what we all want. The question for me is: How much does the IGF1 portion of the injection help the growth process, given sufficient stress (from the PGE1) to start it? For this reason, I'm trying the PGE1/Papaverine routine first, so that I have a baseline understanding of growth response to tissue stress. Does anyone already have a feel for the difference IGF1 makes?

Are you concerned about intestinal IGF receptors and growth there? Do you use a cock-ring during IGF1 injections to prevent or minimize IGF1's affects on other tissues? How do you get the IGF1? Do you always need a script? Can I go to my GP and say that I'm an avid PE-er for almost two decades and that I want to try IGF1? I doubt that will work and wonder what plausible deficiency I can concoct to get the needed script.

My order of PGE1 (Caverject) and Papaverine are on the way but will be several weeks arriving. I'm looking for a anabolic adjunct, like IGF, and a collagen softening adjunct to be applied with DMSO. Suggestions (and evidence) anyone?

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BPEL 9.0
BEG 7.0
MEG 6.0
CEG 5.75

[Darren]

Hi Pumper,

I only used IGF for a short time. Yes I used a cock ring. I personally think that the PGE1 does far more
than the IGF. With 3 hour erection on PGE1, You can feel a streched feeling in the tunica that goes all the
way to the root! I feel sure that I gained the 1/4" fast do to the stretching, not IGF. Yes I was somewhat
concerned with IGF affects on other tissues, hence the reason I did not keep up with it. IGF is easy to get.
A google search will find many places. I think your better off spending the money on Potaba and DMSO.
Potaba loosens the cross linking of the colligan in the tunica allowing it to stretch more. It was orriginally
developed to allow women to stretch easier during child birth. I mix potaba with 70% DMSO cream. Does it really help is yet to be seen. I got 12 vials of caverject 20mcg the other day so I am back in business. I do want to say again to anyone thinking of doing this, mixing papaverine and PGE1 makes a potent mix! Use very very little until you see your response! Everyone is different in there response!!!! One last thing. About 6 years ago
I was downloading music videos on limewire and by accident downloaded a video of a guy with an enormous
penis. I managed to find out his email but he would not respond. The shape of his penis is different. Kinda would like to hear what you guys think of it. I feel that he did some kind of chemical enlargement.

See Ya

[Pumper]

Originally Posted by Darren

Hi Pumper,

I only used IGF for a short time. Yes I used a cock ring. I personally think that the PGE1 does far more
than the IGF. With 3 hour erection on PGE1, You can feel a streched feeling in the tunica that goes all the
way to the root! I feel sure that I gained the 1/4" fast do to the stretching, not IGF. Yes I was somewhat
concerned with IGF affects on other tissues, hence the reason I did not keep up with it. IGF is easy to get.
A google search will find many places. I think your better off spending the money on Potaba and DMSO.
Potaba loosens the cross linking of the colligan in the tunica allowing it to stretch more. It was orriginally
developed to allow women to stretch easier during child birth. I mix potaba with 70% DMSO cream. Does it really help is yet to be seen. I got 12 vials of caverject 20mcg the other day so I am back in business. I do want to say again to anyone thinking of doing this, mixing papaverine and PGE1 makes a potent mix! Use very very little until you see your response! Everyone is different in there response!!!! One last thing. About 6 years ago
I was downloading music videos on limewire and by accident downloaded a video of a guy with an enormous
penis. I managed to find out his email but he would not respond. The shape of his penis is different. Kinda would like to hear what you guys think of it. I feel that he did some kind of chemical enlargement.

See Ya

Okay, I will use one of my leather "cock rings", but with snaps (not rubber). I'll put it aroung the whole package as tight as I can, and inject as low on the shaft as I can, through the scrotum skin, into one CC. I'll keep the strap on for about 20 minutes.

Feeling tunica stretch to the root must be a great sensation. That reminds me of the few good pulls I've had during my traction exercises. We need to talk about this in detail, as well. I think I'll start a new thread.

Okay, I think you are correct about gaining your 1/4" from the PGE-1 and not IGF-1. I think you are also likely correct about the greater value of the Potaba/DMSO combo at this stage.

Can you tell me where you got your 12 vials of Caverject? Were you happy with the price? How does it compare to what I paid PharmacyEscrow.com? I paid $195 for 5 20 mcg vials. If I end up injecting 5 mcg per session, then I have only enough for 20 session. If I do three sessions per week, then I have enough for almost two months. I'm waiting two months just to receive the order. If I want my injection routine to be continuous, then I must reorder another order of the same size the day I receive the original. This is not a very dynamic (or forgiving) ordering situation, but I should know mostly what I am doing after three sessions. If you can help me save money or time, please do.

The video of the really large penis is fascinating. Can you send me a link or an attachment? Are you saying that the shape of his shaft looked a little contrived, somehow, as if he'd been exercising badly, or injecting it, making it fibrous or lumpy?