is PC muscle necessary for obtaining and maintaining an erection ?

[Pegasus]

The use of kegels as a treatment for ed ,( often first line) is mainstream and supported by mainstream research, That is not to say it is foolproof or 100% successfull. Most ed is regarded as having a large pysc commponent and of course kegels may not help all physiccal issues . However they are well supported as being a usefull tool and are low risk

[litopita]

hi following is a simple question that might concern anybody in ERECTILE DISFUNCTION FORUM because it is simply trying to find answer to causes of erection therefore causes or erection disfunction likewise... i hope nobody will delete it cause it tries to shed light on connection between ERECTION and PC MUSCLE CONTRACTION (Kegeling) as they seem to play major role in ERECTION and EJACULATION both ! Therefore anything concerning PC MUSCLE is related to ERECTION DISFUNCTION and also EJACULATION DISFUNCTION !

i quickly ran through wikipedia and few webs on viagra and ERECTION DISFUNCTION and contrary to popular believe it seams that erection and its obtaining and maintaining is not directly related to PC muscle contraction (Kegeling) at least not as much as many believe...

about induction of erection, science papers say that erection is obtained through vasodilation and vasoconstriction inside the penis shaft alone... i couldnt find any mention of PC MUSCLE playing any role in erection obtaining... its mostly chemicaly induced dilation of incoming veins and also constriction of outgoing veins using chemical agents like nitric oxide a cGMP plus interpenile pressure (inside shaft) on outgoing vains... it seems to all happen solely inside penis shaft... without need to help it by flexing PC MUSCLE... thats why viagra or cockrings (after use of vacuum pump) work for most man independent on their PC MUSCLE condition... the entrapment of blood inside penis is done without help of PC MUSCLE...

only one paper says about maintaining erection: As the penis becomes erect, the penile body pressure increases rapidly to about 90mmHg. Perineal muscle contraction results in further increase in penile body pressure to greater than 120mmHg (suprasystolic pressure), which results in full rigidity and elevation of the penis to greater than 90 degrees...

that would mean that up to 90 degree erection (around 90mmHg pressure inside penis) you dont even need PC MUSCLE to maintain erection...

shure PC MUSCLE can give you that extra blood injection and pressure (above 90mmHg) to get a ROCK-HARD erection but it might be regarded as bonus... an option... not a necesity...

this would have many theoretical implications, mostly:

1) if you have trouble maintaining erection, rather than excercising your PC MUSCLE to become Arnold Schwarzenegger to use it as an erection cork-stopper (to constrict blood from leaving penis), you might try to observe if there are not other medical reasons why your penis lost its natural skill to maintain blood entrapment on its own without use of PC MUSCLE backup - these may include diabetes, psychological ED due to PORN OVERUSE, liver problems, decreased libido, chemical imbalance (dopamine, serotonin,...) etc.

2) this theory (that PC MUSCLE is not necessary for obtaining and maintaining satisfactory erection) would suggest that big percentage of ED is mistreated by prescribing PC MUSCLE STRENGHTENING for patients whos ED is actually caused by psychological factors (PORN DESENTIZATION of central nervous system and brain chemical imbalance, depression, anxiety) or enviroinmental factors (poor diet, overweight, diabetes, chemical imbalance in liver and urinary system)

therefore by training yourself to use PC MUSCLE as cork-stopper to prevent blood from leaking out of your penis, you actually never really find out what was the real cause of the blood leaking and why your penis become weak at retaining the blood... you only fix the visible symptoms (poor erection) with PC MUSCLE cork-stopper and never discover the underlying problem that caused your ED in first place... these might include some very serious medical and psychological problems...

and i know what iam talking about i have trouble maintaining erection unless i use PC MUSCLE as blood pump to keep my penis erect - now for the first time i am starting to believe that my inability to stay erect is not related to PC MUSCLE at all - its caused by 22 YEARS OF PORN USE (since 9 years of age to 31 years of age). The porn desentisized my CNS and over the years i developed ED through chemical imblance in my brain, CNS and liver/urinary tract... now my brain basically lost control over penis ability retain blood on its own and i must heavily rely on PC MUSCLE to maintain my erection...

i say instead of training my PC MUSCLE to become harder and better at injecting and subsequently stopping blood from leaving penis... ill try to fix my penis to retain the blood on its own using just vein dilation and constriction inside penis shaft... ill QUIT PORN FOR GOOD and wait at least 6-12 months if my BRAIN, CNS and urinary tract chemical balance recover so ill no longer need to relly on PC MUSCLE with my errections...

i believe contrary to popular notion that PC MUSCLE shouldnt be used as erection obtaining and maintaining "device"... a healthy individual should be able to get and maintain errection without the use of PC MUSCLE...

i may be wrong, please tell me what is your opinion on true PC MUSCLE role in ERECTION alas ERECTION DISFUNCTION... is PC MUSCLE meant to be our natural erection device or is it just "a replacement fix" prescribed for weak penises and weak libido (brain, cns, liver imbalance)...

i dare to ask is PC muscle necessary for obtaining and maintaining an erection ?

thanks everybody

Correct analysis. Doing kegel exercises by themselves to have stronger PC muscles CANT cure ED. Either physical or mental ED. Even Superman's pc muscles CANT cure ED, let alone swaznegger. What kegel exercises and stronger PC muscles do is that they give you better "erection quality" once you have obtained the erection in the first place. Also, someone with stronger PC muscles has better ability to retain and "control" their erections and ejaculation. But that's about it. He cant single handedly create an erection. Especially if he has a "barrier" either in his mind or body. That must be dealt with first in order to to see benefits of kegel exercises.

Blood flow... engorgement... retainment. This is the simple concept I tried to explain to a poster on here who instead became "angry" at how I was over simplifying the erection process haha... Its that simple actually.

[Padawan787]

Correct analysis. Doing kegel exercises by themselves to have stronger PC muscles CANT cure ED. Either physical or mental ED. Even Superman's pc muscles CANT cure ED, let alone swaznegger. What kegel exercises and stronger PC muscles do is that they give you better "erection quality" once you have obtained the erection in the first place. Also, someone with stronger PC muscles has better ability to retain and "control" their erections and ejaculation. But that's about it. He cant single handedly create an erection. Especially if he has a "barrier" either in his mind or body. That must be dealt with first in order to to see benefits of kegel exercises.

Blood flow... engorgement... retainment. This is the simple concept I tried to explain to a poster on here who instead became "angry" at how I was over simplifying the erection process haha... Its that simple actually.

He didn't get angry, he merely correctly pointed out that you had justified none of your claims and that you did oversimplify ED. Taking a swipe at another member because he knows how to properly present and source an argument is ridiculous and petty.

[litopita]

He didn't get angry, he merely correctly pointed out that you had justified none of your claims and that you did oversimplify ED. Taking a swipe at another member because he knows how to properly present and source an argument is ridiculous and petty.

You are doing it as well man! Like i said above, ED is actually that SIMPLE.

Talking about presenting an argument, read the first post in this thread. Now that is a well presented argument (i even repped it). And I would also that think sourcing links to wikipedia articles that the person you are arguing with has personally edited a number of times is funny

[Padawan787]

You are doing it as well man! Like i said above, ED is actually that SIMPLE.

Talking about presenting an argument, read the first post in this thread. Now that is a well presented argument (i even repped it). And I would also that think sourcing links to wikipedia articles that the person you are arguing with has personally edited a number of times is funny

Um, no, one wikipedia article was linked and it wasn't edited by the member in question. The other sites linked were pubmed, webmd, the mayo clinic and the Cleveland clinic. Reliable, reputable sources that you have brushed aside.

Here, check out the changelog on the wikipedia page in question: Erectile dysfunction: Revision history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bigbookofpenis]

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[TheSperminator]

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That's just rude.

[Padawan787]

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[litopita]

Um, no, one wikipedia article was linked and it wasn't edited by the member in question. The other sites linked were pubmed, webmd, the mayo clinic and the Cleveland clinic. Reliable, reputable sources that you have brushed aside.

Here, check out the changelog on the wikipedia page in question: Erectile dysfunction: Revision history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, you are doing it again! I said I AM the one who has edited that page and many other Wikipedia pages a number of times so I have read it a zillion times so to quote it to me or show me the change-log is what is funny. By the way what is your understanding of ED being "complicated"? I also don't remember you being in that thread yet for some reason you have made it so personal, its unbelievable! Where you watching "keenly" from the sidelines? Perhaps too keenly for comfort? Is that how all moderators watch threads? And then when they read what "annoys" them they go and give neg reps to posts which others have repped positively for apparently being "childish"? Talk about childish. Looks more to me like there is something you wanna say to me. Why not just say it here, I don't have much time for back and forth.

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Look buddy, you may be right about your thread being hijacked, an issue which I think you should take with the "moderator" above who had "something" to say on another person's thread. But learn respect to people, both online and offline. The premise of what that picture says may be true about arguing online, but next time use some fucking discretion or what we call COMMON fuckin SENSE when trying to get your point across. That is a very DISTASTEFUL picture about mentally disabled people which I take a lot of offense with and am sure many others who know people with mental disability. Next time when trying to be funny in public space try common sense because not all things are funny. Don't push people...

[Padawan787]

Again, you are doing it again! I said I AM the one who has edited that page and many other Wikipedia pages a number of times so I have read it a zillion times so to quote it to me or show me the change-log is what is funny.

Ok, you are the one who has edited the wikipedia page, reread your previous comment as it could easily be interpreted as meaning the opposite.

By the way what is your understanding of ED being "complicated"? I also don't remember you being in that thread yet for some reason you have made it so personal, its unbelievable! Where you watching "keenly" from the sidelines? Perhaps too keenly for comfort? Is that how all moderators watch threads?

I read pretty much every thread on this site, in order to, you know, moderate. Thus I remember incidents, conversations etc. even without commenting on a particular thread.

My understanding of ED is that it is far more complex than you make it out to be, reference the thread in question if want actual sources to back that point of view up, as opposed to the unjustified opinion of some guy who is allegedly an ED expert because he talks to people about it via email.
I did not comment on the thread because I do not hang, so I could not contribute to the anecdotal evidence that the OP wished to gather.

And then when they read what "annoys" them they go and give neg reps to posts which others have repped positively for apparently being "childish"? Talk about childish. Looks more to me like there is something you wanna say to me. Why not just say it here, I don't have much time for back and forth.

This is hilarious, yes I did neg-rep your post but don't lie and try to claim that other members repped it, you haven't received a rep since the 1st of September. No I don't have a particular problem with you, but I don't appreciate you having a dig at someone like you did in this thread because of something that happened 3 weeks ago for absolutely no reason, so, who is really being childish?

Look buddy, you may be right about your thread being hijacked, an issue which I think you should take with the "moderator" above who had "something" to say on another person's thread. But learn respect to people, both online and offline. The premise of what that picture says may be true about arguing online, but next time use some fucking discretion or what we call COMMON fuckin SENSE when trying to get your point across. That is a very DISTASTEFUL picture about mentally disabled people which I take a lot of offense with and am sure many others who know people with mental disability. Next time when trying to be funny in public space try common sense because not all things are funny. Don't push people...

That's a bit rich in the context of this discussion.