Nothing seems to help ED

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With so many variables it's becoming disappointing trying to isolate the reasons I've suffered with ED.

I've had ED for about 2 years now. I'm 50 and about 20 lbs over weight. I had been using viagra for about 3 years successfuly but out of nowhere it just stopped working. I'm wondering why?? If I take it, I find I just feel hot, that's about it.

I do get erections at night sometimes with reasonable EQ sometimes. But mostly its about half hard as it use to be. I just can't get Rock hard like I use to.

I've tried herbs, and I have bathmate, but I've not been consistant and used it nor have I tried to jelq

I have masturbated since the age of about 10, and usually twice a day. My Testosterone seems alright, but I have used androgel, though I'm currently using a compound. That gets used with hcg but that didn't seem to help either.

I don't excecise much but I do try when I can.

Just wondering where my Boner went to? My GF loves big and hard and she use to love our sex adventures. But now she's just disappointed which further has me nervous and that may be a small element but it certainly seems physiological to me.

Has anyone found vigra stopped working and can add a science based reason as to why it stopped? I"ve tried cialis too and it doesn't work any better. I find viagra almost makes things worse even??

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

With so many variables it's becoming disappointing trying to isolate the reasons I've suffered with ED.

I've had ED for about 2 years now. I'm 50 and about 20 lbs over weight. I had been using viagra for about 3 years successfuly but out of nowhere it just stopped working. I'm wondering why?? If I take it, I find I just feel hot, that's about it.

I do get erections at night sometimes with reasonable EQ sometimes. But mostly its about half hard as it use to be. I just can't get Rock hard like I use to.

I've tried herbs, and I have bathmate, but I've not been consistant and used it nor have I tried to jelq

I have masturbated since the age of about 10, and usually twice a day. My Testosterone seems alright, but I have used androgel, though I'm currently using a compound. That gets used with hcg but that didn't seem to help either.

I don't excecise much but I do try when I can.

Just wondering where my Boner went to? My GF loves big and hard and she use to love our sex adventures. But now she's just disappointed which further has me nervous and that may be a small element but it certainly seems physiological to me.

Has anyone found vigra stopped working and can add a science based reason as to why it stopped? I"ve tried cialis too and it doesn't work any better. I find viagra almost makes things worse even??

Well you are older, so you should try checking your Estrogen levels, which tend to rise as you get older. Older men are more prone to testosterone aromatization and also more of your test converts into DHT.

This can have some positive effects, but not the aromatization.

Viagra and all PDE-5's are dependent on testosterone to an extent - or at the very least some degree of second messengers (such as Glutamate, cAMP, cGMP and / or histamine)....

FIRST AND FOREMOST..get your E2 (Estradiol) checked, DEMAND it if not necessary.
Don't settle for this.
But with you talking about "i just feel hot" that sounds most certainly like a hormone issue.
High E2 usually makes you feel warm / hot, and very uncomfortable..but then again, so does low E2. So get estrogen checked.

If it's all fine, still keep testing....

I would recommend you do that first before you take any further steps.

Also you want to rule out any other possibly developing issues - such as blood pressure, cholesterol...and check with your doc to make sure you aren't taking any meds that can cause E.D and lessen PDE-5I effectiveness.

Such as

-Beta Blockers (BP pills, bisoprolol,pindolol etc)
-H2 Blockers (stomach acid pills, zantac etc)
-Benadryl and other AntiCholinergics
-AntiDopaminergic Anti Nausea pills (Reglan,Phenergan)


These are just a few.

Also prostate drugs such as finasteride/propecia can kill your libido and cause severe E.D

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Did you see a doctor?

[matchless Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close matchless]

Thanks for the responses.

I have seen an aging Dr. Blood work was done and I was put on test cream, synthroid, a diet removing mostly breads, HCG shots. My test was about 700 but she still put me on cream, which raised my estridiols and had to go on estrogen reduction pills. That got my estrogen down.

I don't feel a great sex drive. I have a suspicion that my excessive masturbation has played a role. I am now trying to do a sabbatical from masturbation, and it does seem to increase my libido. My penis is very insensitive which I hope this break for a few months may help. I would say its the least sensitive part of my body where touching it provides little sensation. I really want this to change.

Rock hard erections are impossible. Use to be great with viagra. Than it just stopped. I can get at best about 70 percent hard, and that can decline during sex. Now that introduces a psychological component. My GF loves big/huge and hard. She gets no pleasure otherwise. She's now avoiding sex which is discouraging to say the least.

I have to try and fix all this.

My thoughts consider a reboot for perhaps 90 days. This means, I believe, I won't be doing any exercises. One of my concerns is that doing the exercises i.e. jelq etc, will continue to desensitize my penis. So I'm concerned about trying to grow and improve eq down the road when doing so may return my penis to it's desensitized state. And this presumes the reboot will even work.

I'm considering also joining Me-Coach with Big Al (and team) to get on a program to not only improve EQ but to increase length and girth to improve my GF's experience. But I see a sticky posted by Big Al for a bootcamp program that perhaps would be a good place to start. I am about 6.5 long and the girth is about 5.75. I'm thicker proportionately than longer. The GF love's girth.

I purchased a bathmate about a year ago; used it sporadically. It was the x40 and perhaps my eyes were bigger than my penis. It seems too big, but the girth chart indicated this was the right size. It's a monster to handle in the shower and I'm concerned it will damage if I'm not careful, or at best do nothing.

I've got all the herbs one can imagine, including the 5 g's. But as of late I've just dead stopped most everything in confusion and frustration not knowing where to start or what to do. Hence Big Al's program entered my mind to try and get a fresh start on a new tomorrow.

I'm wondering if estrogen isn't the issue but reading through the forums, there are so many multifactorial elements going on that I'm confused. There is a ton of information here and I'm getting lost in where to go with all this.

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Thanks for the responses.

I have seen an aging Dr. Blood work was done and I was put on test cream, synthroid, a diet removing mostly breads, HCG shots. My test was about 700 but she still put me on cream, which raised my estridiols and had to go on estrogen reduction pills. That got my estrogen down.

I don't feel a great sex drive. I have a suspicion that my excessive masturbation has played a role. I am now trying to do a sabbatical from masturbation, and it does seem to increase my libido. My penis is very insensitive which I hope this break for a few months may help. I would say its the least sensitive part of my body where touching it provides little sensation. I really want this to change.

Rock hard erections are impossible. Use to be great with viagra. Than it just stopped. I can get at best about 70 percent hard, and that can decline during sex. Now that introduces a psychological component. My GF loves big/huge and hard. She gets no pleasure otherwise. She's now avoiding sex which is discouraging to say the least.

I have to try and fix all this.

My thoughts consider a reboot for perhaps 90 days. This means, I believe, I won't be doing any exercises. One of my concerns is that doing the exercises i.e. jelq etc, will continue to desensitize my penis. So I'm concerned about trying to grow and improve eq down the road when doing so may return my penis to it's desensitized state. And this presumes the reboot will even work.

I'm considering also joining Me-Coach with Big Al (and team) to get on a program to not only improve EQ but to increase length and girth to improve my GF's experience. But I see a sticky posted by Big Al for a bootcamp program that perhaps would be a good place to start. I am about 6.5 long and the girth is about 5.75. I'm thicker proportionately than longer. The GF love's girth.

I purchased a bathmate about a year ago; used it sporadically. It was the x40 and perhaps my eyes were bigger than my penis. It seems too big, but the girth chart indicated this was the right size. It's a monster to handle in the shower and I'm concerned it will damage if I'm not careful, or at best do nothing.

I've got all the herbs one can imagine, including the 5 g's. But as of late I've just dead stopped most everything in confusion and frustration not knowing where to start or what to do. Hence Big Al's program entered my mind to try and get a fresh start on a new tomorrow.

I'm wondering if estrogen isn't the issue but reading through the forums, there are so many multifactorial elements going on that I'm confused. There is a ton of information here and I'm getting lost in where to go with all this.

1.) I would definitely get on me-coache, Big Al is a very smart guy, knows what he's talking about.
2.) Are you still on the "estrogen-reduction pills" - which aromatase inhibitor were you on? (assuming it was an AI since SERMS are rarely recommended for men with E2 elevations).
3.) Masturbation might contribute, but it still sounds like an estro issue of some sort.
4.) Synthroid may not help improve T4/T3 conversion though, and shutting down your natty Thyroid is like playing with fire. You may benefit from T3 injections instead of the Synthroid - or you could add ********* and Olive Leaf extract to the Synthroid to help improve it's effects.
5.) It's disturbing that the 5G's didn't help you, I don't know too many that have a failure on the 5G's....now it's sounding even more like a hormone imbalance.
6.) Do you take any SSRI anti-depressants? These could cause hot flashes and lack of libido as well. They also interfere with cognitive function.
7.) What other drugs do you take? What's your diet like?

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My Stats:

Age:51 5'8" height. Was 226lbs, now down to 208lbs. Goal 185 lbs I'm an Endomorph. I can grow muscle easily and fat as well.

Masturbation 2/day every day for past 40 years. Perhaps more some days. I've never taken more than a week off from it. I've had bouts of ED since I was a teen but mostly good eq 80 to 90 percent. (rarely rock hard except when I would wake up at 3 am= nocturnal). I can still wake up some days with a good EQ of about 70 percent, but goes down within minutes). It's about 70 or 60 percent when having sex, which will diminish to soft as matters proceed in the act. Sometimes ( 10 percent) I can't even Ejaculate, and I have to work hard at it. I have no problems with stamina, if you consider the problem is more that I can't feel much.

I have very very week ejaculations. Dribble mostly, with a small amount of cum. It's been this way most of my life. I would love to shoot far and lots of cum. Turns GF on. Blar...

BLOODWORK

Jan 2014
Free Test 473 pmol/L (reference 175-700)
Testosterone 26.3 nmol/L (reference 8.0-29.0)
Albumin 37 g/L (reference 33-48)
SHBG 52 pmol/L (reference 10-55)
LH (leutenzing hormone) 6 (reference 1-9) IU/L


Original Blood work Oct 2012 Before seeing Aging Doctor

DHEA-S 4.9 umol/L (reference 2.2-13.0)
SHBG 48 nmol/L (reference 10-55)
Test 21.0 nmol/L Reference 8.0-59)
Free androgen index 43.8
IGF-1 214 ug/L (reference 94-252)
Estradiol 167 pmol/L (reference 0-160)
Progesterone 1.3 nmol/L (reference 0.0-3.0)
Free T3 5.1 mIU/L (reference 3.5-6.5)
Thyroid Stimulating Hormon 3.87 (reference 0.20 -6.00)
Free T4 13.4 pmol/L (reference 10.0-25.0)
LDL 4.40 mmol/L (reference 2.00-3.4)
Albumin 42 g/L (reference 33-48)


Bloodwork Oct 2013 (after 1 year with Aging Doctor)

Estradiol 207 pmol/L (reference 0-160) (ouch!!!)
Test Free 541 pmol/L (reference 175-700)
Free T3 5.9 pmol/L (reference 3.5-6.5)
Free T4 12.9 pmol/L (reference 10.0-25.0)
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone 5.75 mIU/L (reference 0.20-6.00)
LH 1 IU/L (reference 1.9)

At 2013 blood work I was put on Amiridex 0.5 mg every other day. This led to the results you see Jan 2014. (she/Dr tried Estorfactors by metagenics but this did not work)

I also have aromasin 12.5 mg tablets (which I have used in place of Amiridex with no appreciable difference perceptually noticed)


HERBS

Ginko Biloba 60 Mg Tabs
Ginger Root 1200 mg tabs
Garlic tabs
Siberian Ginseng
Green Tea tabs

Maritime Pine Bark Extract (I was told this was for phenogycol) sp?
Horny Goat Weed 500 mg tabs
L-Argining 500 mg tabs
l-Lysine 500 mg tabs
L-Citrulline 750 mg Tabs
Magnesium Glycinate from Metagenics
Thyrosol from Metagenics
Somnolin from Metagenics
Vessel Care from Metagenics

I also have herbs:
Super X (used similar to viagra)
Diabend
Slender All
Myomin (for estrogen balance)
oxypower
Kidney Chi
Prosta Chi


From a Naturopath:
Enkindle
Daily Essence
Zymessence (used for reduction of plaque building in arteries)
Stabilized oxygen
Zinc Citrate


I've tried a lot. I'm on the losing end of this battle it seems.

Reset crosses my mind and looking for a starting point to remedy this.

Goals? To increase EQ to rock hard status and maintain such. To increase length and Girth to 8" by 6.5". In increase Load and distance. Increase the length of orgasm, which now seems to last about 2 seconds.
Increase stamina and rebound. To massively increase the sensitivity of penis (it's circumcised). (I don't want to do foreskin restoration btw if I can avoid this).

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Diet is much improved over the past 5 months.

Cut out White flours and breads. Cut out pops and sugars.
Using brown rice bread with avocado and tomato's as snacks.
Full fat yogurts
Whole hard boiled eggs.
More water. Cut out milk with rare exception
Rice pastas using curry.
Try to stick to a mediterranean diet. I cheat a little here and there.

I do like beer, perhaps 5 bottles per week at one sitting when I go out. But cutting back on that too

I treadmill about 30 minutes three times a week. Use elastic stretch bands for muscles. Push ups, sit ups. Haven't done this for a while and it's not consistent.

I was on about 2 years ago some antidepressants. The name escapes me. Was on for about 5 months. Nothing since.

I have not taken the 5 g's with consistency as my list of attempts equalling limited results has me discouraged and unsure of what to do.

I'm a very sequential logical structured person. I would like some basis of structure to work with but at this point I've tried so many different things, and have so many different options that I'm lost and confused at what to do.

Lost on a deserted island of Erectile Disfunction feeling like a petrie dish cloaked in failure....

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And btw

Has anyone solved the question of why Viagra just stops working, if the answer should be physiologically based only?

My Gen GP has me on 5 mg of cialis per day, which I requested to add some alpha blocker Flomax (small dose as advised somewhere in this site). I found my penis felt detached from me, as if it was rubber, not mine. I stopped using the alpha blocker and stuck with cialis only. This seems to improve the sensation at least, but eq is marginally improved with limited side affects. I find viagra makes me feel hot (and it did seem to do as much of this when I originally used it and found it effective. I found success with viagra for about 2 years, and then it just stopped working)...sigh

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I am 72, a diabetic suffering with increasing ED over last 20 years so my situation is different. However, Viagra (up to 100 mg) stopped working for me about four years ago. My issue is a combination of plaque deposits and nerve damage. plaque can be a result of raised levels of glucose and/ or cholesterol.

Anyway, if the supplements mentioned above do not solve your ED problem, the following may be helpful.

Pumping for ED

Pumping at 5hg for three 10 minute sessions, each followed by 3 Ulis - slowly slide a tight ok grip up your shaft until you reach the glans. While holding your grip around the glans, squeeze the glans three time, forcing the blood to the tip. Forcing additional blood up you penis can help heal damaged tissue.

Tight Constriction Band.

If you can generate a semi, you can usually increase it by slipping on a tight constriction band (Osbon tension band is my choice) around the base of your shaft and kegel in more blood until you are fully erect. However, your dick will start to turn numb after ten minutes and the band needs to be removed after 20 minutes to avoid problems.

VED (vacuum erection device)

If you have trouble generating a semi. This is a specially designed vacuum pump which allows you to slip on the tension band over the base of the cylinder and onto the base of your shaft.

Trimix Injections

Once the correct dose is worked out, an injection will provide a 1,5 hour erection whether or not you orgasm.

You can find more detailed information on the above at franktalk.org.

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And btw

Has anyone solved the question of why Viagra just stops working, if the answer should be physiologically based only?

My Gen GP has me on 5 mg of cialis per day, which I requested to add some alpha blocker Flomax (small dose as advised somewhere in this site). I found my penis felt detached from me, as if it was rubber, not mine. I stopped using the alpha blocker and stuck with cialis only. This seems to improve the sensation at least, but eq is marginally improved with limited side affects. I find viagra makes me feel hot (and it did seem to do as much of this when I originally used it and found it effective. I found success with viagra for about 2 years, and then it just stopped working)...sigh

BLOODWORK

Jan 2014
Free Test 473 pmol/L (reference 175-700)
Testosterone 26.3 nmol/L (reference 8.0-29.0)
Albumin 37 g/L (reference 33-48)
SHBG 52 pmol/L (reference 10-55)
LH (leutenzing hormone) 6 (reference 1-9) IU/L

No estrogen test as of recent though? That elevated SHBG level is probably hurting your erections.
Usually elevated SHBG is a result of high E2/Prolactin levels and / or Low DHT.

Get estrogen tested again.
You might need to get back on an AI.
Taking proviron or a free T booster like Divanil might benefit you in the meantime.

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Its possible that your ED is age-related and not because of a single simple deficiency or imbalance. The dick doesn't work perfectly forever. Especially since you said that Viagra stopped working for you... This tells me that there was a physiological cause for your ED that was once overcome with Viagra, but has not gotten so bad that even Viagra cannot help it. You are not a "non-responder" to Viagra, but your problem has advanced to the point that Viagra is no longer helping.

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Its possible that your ED is age-related and not because of a single simple deficiency or imbalance. The dick doesn't work perfectly forever. Especially since you said that Viagra stopped working for you... This tells me that there was a physiological cause for your ED that was once overcome with Viagra, but has not gotten so bad that even Viagra cannot help it. You are not a "non-responder" to Viagra, but your problem has advanced to the point that Viagra is no longer helping.

Good point as well - but part of that aging syndrome is due to declining hormone levels of all kind, and estrogen imbalances become more likely as you get older. But there's also growth hormone, nitric oxide and many other genes that change as well. SIRT1,SIRT2,11-hydroxysteroidogenease,MAO levels change as you get older, receptor expressions of many monoamines,VMAT changes, Cortisol. The list goes on. You certainly should NOT worry about finding a pharmacological band-aid for each and every one of these things that I mention, and it's important to note that what I say should NOT replace the advice of your Doc,... because likely he has known you for A LOT longer than all of us have, and so he knows the specifics of your case...nevertheless, working on yourself and your health as a whole should always be done.

If you improve / change your diet, some, if not all of the above chemicals will change favorably.
But this means a REALLY balanced diet, not the AMA's petty and incomplete guidelines.

Seafood, and DEFINITELY an increased consumption of fruits and vegetables of all kind should be included as you age, especially.

Also messing with spices is a formidable idea - adding Garlic, Cilantro and other spices can markedly improve overall health - especially with time.

And Turmeric is something that both the young and old should take - as it hits a lot of aging genes as well and is one of the best overall health tonics available.

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My absolute advice to you: lean on the fundamentals, diet and exercise.

Viagra is not a long term solution in my eyes, it's a crutch. Perhaps I'm off on this, I don't know it's long-term trajectory, but I wouldn't rest my entire sexual health on this pill as the foundation.

You spoke of 20lbs extra weight: put on a big smile, think about how great it is when you kill that goal, and just resolve to deal with it. You ~need~ exercise for optimal health, and the extra weight is a sort of PI. Don't leave this extra weight on and then keep talking about trying to figure out ED causes. Work with your body brother.

I'd say it's more important at the moment for you to exercise than work on your diet, by far I say, but, still, it's always a good idea to look at your eating habits and see how you can:
- add more fruits and vegetables
- reduce added sugar
- avoid all artificial sweeteners ~and~ colors
- work in more organic stuff
- take out the bad fats, trans, partially hydrogenated, and vegetable polyunsaturateds (soy, sunflower, safflower, cottonseed, etc) -- so try to focus on olive oil and coconut oil.

But, again, exercise is my highest recommendation for you. Start off light, and don't push it too hard. If you're workout is not invigorating, or if you don't look forward to it -- something is ~off~, and usually it's more strenuous than at all necessary. When we are at our lowest points, we never seem to have the motivation to start, but that's exactly when we should. Do some crunches, do some walking/jogging, pull out the pushups -- but make it a concrete goal. You can get that 20 pounds off in a years time don't you think? Then ~do that~!!! Better within the year than never. Read my article on working on your goals: Patient Goal Tending

You get that weight off and keep your diet in mind -- expect improvements. It's always possible some other factor will still get in the way, but you're only way better off by addressing these things. And it beats the hell out of "nothing seems to help". I'd rather start hearing you talking about "I can't seem to get motivated to do the most likely helpful things" because that's at least pointed in the right direction and we can move forward from there.

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My absolute advice to you: lean on the fundamentals, diet and exercise.

Viagra is not a long term solution in my eyes, it's a crutch. Perhaps I'm off on this, I don't know it's long-term trajectory, but I wouldn't rest my entire sexual health on this pill as the foundation.

You spoke of 20lbs extra weight: put on a big smile, think about how great it is when you kill that goal, and just resolve to deal with it. You ~need~ exercise for optimal health, and the extra weight is a sort of PI. Don't leave this extra weight on and then keep talking about trying to figure out ED causes. Work with your body brother.

I'd say it's more important at the moment for you to exercise than work on your diet, by far I say, but, still, it's always a good idea to look at your eating habits and see how you can:
- add more fruits and vegetables
- reduce added sugar
- avoid all artificial sweeteners ~and~ colors
- work in more organic stuff
- take out the bad fats, trans, partially hydrogenated, and vegetable polyunsaturateds (soy, sunflower, safflower, cottonseed, etc) -- so try to focus on olive oil and coconut oil.

But, again, exercise is my highest recommendation for you. Start off light, and don't push it too hard. If you're workout is not invigorating, or if you don't look forward to it -- something is ~off~, and usually it's more strenuous than at all necessary. When we are at our lowest points, we never seem to have the motivation to start, but that's exactly when we should. Do some crunches, do some walking/jogging, pull out the pushups -- but make it a concrete goal. You can get that 20 pounds off in a years time don't you think? Then ~do that~!!! Better within the year than never. Read my article on working on your goals: Patient Goal Tending

You get that weight off and keep your diet in mind -- expect improvements. It's always possible some other factor will still get in the way, but you're only way better off by addressing these things. And it beats the hell out of "nothing seems to help". I'd rather start hearing you talking about "I can't seem to get motivated to do the most likely helpful things" because that's at least pointed in the right direction and we can move forward from there.

Very good advice!