[Jelqasaurus]

Originally Posted by C.Phantasy

HIIT is the way I prefere.When I started my new PE routine I added Cardio to the game,and It was a good choice.
Check my progress logg for more detail on why HIIT and sprinting is the best way to achive good health,good bloodflow and overall performance.

Very interesting article. I'm glad you decided that heart health (intense heart health) was the way to go! HIIT is a lot of my training as well, and fartlek. I love fitness and it's great to see that its obvious advantageous effects are spreading to so many lifestyles.

Joe, it's very interesting when another personal trainer has completely different information about exercise science. I'm eager to read an article about the conversion of muscle fibers, as all throughout school all my texts and professors claimed that you can only build upon what you were genetically given. Enhancing your framework, put simply, but that you could not actually take a Type IIb and make it a Type I. Fitness is such a mysterious field, isn't it? I also agree with your theory of dieting being the centerfold of weight management (being that weight loss = calories in < calories out). I mean, where do those calories come from? Couldn't be the food going into your mouth, now, could it? I also agree that some people take cardio too seriously, although I disagree to dismiss it so quickly as a poor form of weight loss. I feel it's extremely effective if it is practiced correctly and in moderation. It's all about balance!!

[Larger]

Originally Posted by Jelqasaurus

Wow man you must be in better shape than Lance Armstrong! My heart rate when running (mid-hi intensity) is roughly 160-180 which would be my target heart range. My HR while lifting is probably in the 100's, I never check. No point. However, my resting heart rate is around 60, depending on a lot of factors of course. You are some kind of mutant if you're HR remains at 50 BMP while doing cardio!

I have a really high heart rate on average. I used to weigh 160 at my height (6'8"), so yeah, I'd say I'm doing better at my current 190. But I really want to hit 210. I check my heartrate before and after I run, so I couldn't say what it is while I am doing it. I seriously have to eat so much, just to maintain my weight. I would classify myself as athletic though.

Originally Posted by SouthernJoe

Losing Body fat is the direct result of proper eating habits ( eliminate the sugar and processed foods) and doing exercises that increase growth hormone output and build muscle (compound exercises that work multiple muscle groups through resistance). A person looking to lose weight should first look to what is on their fork and then focus on the right exercise program. People who spend too much time at the gym (usually on the treadmill) never see lasting results because too much exercise causes an increase in cortisol and these same people that may be overweight are eating a huge caloric deficit and running 2 or more hours a day which forces the body go into a starvation mood holding onto everything it has.

Another thing I point out to my clients is that proper training in compound movements elicits quicker cardiovascular health than aerobics. After all, a set of heavy squats forces the heart to work harder, and a person will build more muscle which will burn more fat, in shorter and more efficient time than could be accomplished through aerobics training.

It's also a misconception that short intense exercise is only appropriate for people who are already "in-shape". This is probably one reason why so many people never exercise to begin with.

Jelq, conversion works vice-versa. Any time a person spends a considerable amount of time focusing on one activity (lets say running) eventually other fibers take on the characteristics of the main fiber type being used. I'll have to dig up my textbook on the subject and i have a link somewhere to research on it so i'll get back to you on this. Generally, this is what a lot of athletes have found through experience though.

As far as marathons and long distance runners are concerned, it's evident that the body is not designed for this kind of work. I never focus on heart rate as a measure of fitness though, as my heart rate can be racing when im excited, nervous, or scared and that just like long bouts of aerobic exercise does not elicit growth hormone increases, build muscle, increase power, etc. Power output however, is a great measure of fitness and that can be defined as being able to much a large load over a long distance in a short amount of time.

There's nothing that proves "eating properly" is the link to overall body fat. In fact, I know a few personal trainers. And she eats whatever she wants. And she barely has any fat on her. She's been a trainer for eight or so years, and she does that for fun, because she's a finishing up her doctorate. One smart cookie. I do agree though, for the heavier set people, they should limit their food intake, but I'd still say cardio every other day for about 30 minutes or so of probably walking to jogging (since I doubt they would have the ability to run).

I agree fully, people need to realize that workouts are for those who are up to it. Some people just don't have the willpower to do the intense workouts though, and that's why they take it a step at a time.

And I agree more, heart rate is not something to determine fitness. Mine is just always really high. So think of it like with PIs, if you always had morning wood, is having it after PE a positive PI even though it was there before PE?

[SouthernJoe]

My last client had a very high resting heart rate even after 12 weeks it remained the exact same but his overall fitness improved ten fold and he lost quite a bit of weight, so heart rate has never been a big factor for me.

On the issue of food, calories in vs out is what it comes down to for weight loss or gain but a lot of people also disregard quality of calories. Quality is where body composition will come into play and unfortunately there is where people don't get it as they will eat a caloric deficit diet and lose weight and wonder why they don't have those washboard abs yet, you explain quality to them and they look at you like your crazy heh.

[Larger]

Too true. I have a nice six-pack though.

I make sure to eat about 2-3 PBJ sandwiches a day and a few protein shakes that equal 1,200 calories. There's a lot to consider about overall health. But I eat whatever I want, pizza, junk food whatever. I just don't eat junk food, cake, or icecream. I recently have been forcing myself to eat icecream by mixing it into my shakes to get some more calories on there.

[Jelqasaurus]

Larger you are a huge human! Wowzers!

Yeah Joe you are totally right! High nutrient density is the way to go. People will feel more stuffed and thus feel less inclined to eat empty calories throughout the day. Good point!

As for heart rate determining fitness; agreed! Untrue. Fitness, imo, is judged not by HR but recovery.

[SouthernJoe]

Larger I just missed that you were 6' 8'', ha thats puts a literal sense to your name.

[C.Phantasy]

Originally Posted by Larger

I have a really high heart rate on average. I used to weigh 160 at my height (6'8"), so yeah, I'd say I'm doing better at my current 190. But I really want to hit 210. I check my heartrate before and after I run, so I couldn't say what it is while I am doing it. I seriously have to eat so much, just to maintain my weight. I would classify myself as athletic though.



There's nothing that proves "eating properly" is the link to overall body fat. In fact, I know a few personal trainers. And she eats whatever she wants. And she barely has any fat on her. She's been a trainer for eight or so years, and she does that for fun, because she's a finishing up her doctorate. One smart cookie. I do agree though, for the heavier set people, they should limit their food intake, but I'd still say cardio every other day for about 30 minutes or so of probably walking to jogging (since I doubt they would have the ability to run).

I agree fully, people need to realize that workouts are for those who are up to it. Some people just don't have the willpower to do the intense workouts though, and that's why they take it a step at a time.

And I agree more, heart rate is not something to determine fitness. Mine is just always really high. So think of it like with PIs, if you always had morning wood, is having it after PE a positive PI even though it was there before PE?

Everyone should note that there exists 3 different bodytypes which we all are equal too in some way.
Ectomorph=Tall,Thin people who can eat almost everything they want and not gain a single pound,these guys on the other hand have problems gaining muscle.(NBA players are good examples)
Endomorph:Tall/medium height,overweight people,who gain easily fat but builds muscles like beasts (Check out most of the strongmen guys)
Mesomorphont know about height but, they are naturally muscular (They do not even need to excercise),they burn fat easily and gain muscles very easy.

There is no one who is completely Endo/Ecto/Meso,you fall between 2 of them.

I am Endo/Meso, I gain muscle very fast, but I should try to eat hamburgers in moderation due to their high fat intake (Im a vegetarian BB,so I only eat Bean burgers)

There you have it.

More about these Somotypes at What is your Body Type - Somatotypes - Neoseeker Forums
(With pictures describing my statement above)

[Larger]

Originally Posted by C.Phantasy

Everyone should note that there exists 3 different bodytypes which we all are equal too in some way.
Ectomorph=Tall,Thin people who can eat almost everything they want and not gain a single pound,these guys on the other hand have problems gaining muscle.(NBA players are good examples)
Endomorph:Tall/medium height,overweight people,who gain easily fat but builds muscles like beasts (Check out most of the strongmen guys)
Mesomorphont know about height but, they are naturally muscular (They do not even need to excercise),they burn fat easily and gain muscles very easy.

There is no one who is completely Endo/Ecto/Meso,you fall between 2 of them.

I am Endo/Meso, I gain muscle very fast, but I should try to eat hamburgers in moderation due to their high fat intake (Im a vegetarian BB,so I only eat Bean burgers)

There you have it.

More about these Somotypes at What is your Body Type - Somatotypes - Neoseeker Forums
(With pictures describing my statement above)

Mmn. I don't know how I feel about a defined somatotype for a person into three categories, it would appear that as we age certain determining factors for which of these one is changes. I wouldn't know what to classify myself as, because I've only recently started counting calories and making sure I eat about 5-6k calories daily. Just finished a 2,000 calorie protein shake that was absolutely disgusting. Put a pack of donuts in it to add 400. Haha.

Anyway, this is something that makes sense though, and I'm sure this could be applied to people and could lead to a theory that would assist even more than the less is more or more is more theory. I'd bet there is a link between somatotype and penis increase rate or capabilities. Sure it's not the same type of muscle like a bicep, but there are still similiarities. I need to read up on somatotypes some more. After I finish some research I promised for a member.

[Lazy 8]

Originally Posted by C.Phantasy

Everyone should note that there exists 3 different bodytypes which we all are equal too in some way.
Ectomorph=Tall,Thin people who can eat almost everything they want and not gain a single pound,these guys on the other hand have problems gaining muscle.(NBA players are good examples)
Endomorph:Tall/medium height,overweight people,who gain easily fat but builds muscles like beasts (Check out most of the strongmen guys)
Mesomorphont know about height but, they are naturally muscular (They do not even need to excercise),they burn fat easily and gain muscles very easy.

There is no one who is completely Endo/Ecto/Meso,you fall between 2 of them.

I am Endo/Meso, I gain muscle very fast, but I should try to eat hamburgers in moderation due to their high fat intake (Im a vegetarian BB,so I only eat Bean burgers)

There you have it.

More about these Somotypes at What is your Body Type - Somatotypes - Neoseeker Forums
(With pictures describing my statement above)

Check out this Wikipedia link for more about the origins of somatotyping: Somatotype and Constitutional Psychology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[buttheadyeah]

the three category thing is not true....i know this cuz as unhealthy as it may have been i experimented with my body in highschool...as a young child i was skin and bone could eat whatever not gain wait the tall thin type you talked about til age 14-15 ( I was my max height at age 14) Then i started body building and by age 18 i was 225 lbs and biggest guy in highschool....a totally opposite category..i looked like a strongman...then i injured my shoulder started running like crazy...after 6 months i was tall skinny body type looked like a totally different person...in fact people did NOT recognize me...then i started body buliding again and now im the inbetween body type....so for me the category thing is more of an excuse than a fact..plus 98% of the time human bones are the same size proportionately...as in if u evenly grew me to 6' 8" like larger our bones would be same and if you shrunk larger to 5' "10 like me we'd basically be same bone..not enough difference to matter. You may say but look at wrists or hands...when i was body building my wrists and hands put on muscle and i could have easily told someone im big boned..but that would have been a lie..when i lost weight my hands became more feminine and wrists thinner.....this is true and factual i even have pictures to prove it to the many non believers...so what im saying is dont limit yourself to some category when in fact usually you can get whatever body type you want....im living proof i went from tall thin dweeb to buff monster benching over 300 lbs and doing reps of it....Another person who would testify to this, as corny as it may seem, is Arnold Swartzineggar...he to believed your body is what you make of it, i know he did steroids but his theory was right.