[shane_syndrome]

Well , I geuss I cant add much 2 this because joe pretty much said it but honestly every diet coach or personal trainer I have ever met says "you cant out train your diet" or " perfect abs start in the kitchen " .


...And buttheadyeah , Arnold had some of the best philosophy's or theroys of any body builder but honestly he was more of a genetic freak then a steroid user .

[Jelqasaurus]

I'm unsure how much steroid use Arnold actually partook in. His physique these days is easily attainable by natural bodybuilders. It's very difficult, of course, but very possible.

I agree with diet being a key factor in weight management. But people, please don't assume it's the entire story. You are overlooking the broad spectrum and narrowing it down to one factor. You can, in fact, out train your diet. It's rather ridiculous to do, but you can absolutely burn so many calories that you can virtually eat seemelss amounts of food and still lose weight. Is this effective? No. Is it possible? Yes.

For one to truly find weight management and grapple it into their posession, they must understand the inner workings of calories, nutrients, and exercise. You can lose weight without dieting, but it's much harder! Personally, I wouldn't, and wouldn't recommend to any of my clients to, either. Food is calories but there's also "empty" calories in which very little nutritional value is present. Avoiding this would be wise. If calculated precisely, you can attain enough nutrition to effectively build muscle, for example, without exceeding your recommended daily caloric intake. Fat loss and weight gain can occur simultaneously, it's just freakin hard!

My point is, diet is a rather LARGE factor in weight management. It's where calories COME from in the first palce. However this isn't an indicator in any way that it's the SOLE factor in weight loss.

As for the ecto/endo/mesomorph theory: I think, personally, that it's a good way to guage a person's overall bodytype, although I don't believe for a second that you're genetically predisposed to one. You are, in fact, able to change virtually anything about your body image with the exception of, for example, bone size/length/shape, height, or muscle body length (long/short). My calves are LONG, Victor Martinez's calves are SHORT. He's way goddamn more huge -- like freakishly gigantic -- but my claves will always be longer. I will also never be as tall as Shaq. Or as ugly as Meryl Streep.

[Larger]

Seriously great post there Jelqasaurus. I have to say you well earned your rep point.

The theory is great to gauge where someone is, but that doesn't mean they will be that way for life. I think it's very possible to change.

And just like with PE or building muscle, I feel that you need to do more than one thing to really get results. I'm a fan of eating lots of calories with carbs and protein and working out.

[buttheadyeah]

yes change is possible and you guys are right when you say diet is key....When i was explaining those drastic changes, guess what my diet had drastic changes...when i was a huge muscle machine i'd like to say i ate 8 times a day but thats not accurate cuz i know i just was always eating. When i was a sprinter in track and field..and i made it to state by the way...i didn't eat near as much....so honestly guys don't think you're doomed to a certain one of those 3 categories...i'm living proof that you can do almost anything with your body, the body is a lot stronger than most realize if trained properly. For example, I was only 225 lbs and my warm ups were repping 255 lbs (bench) 25 times ( 5 reps , rest, 5 reps, rest...and so on..) Diet + exercise = any body build you want. ( Obviously excluding getting taller ) But there are even exercises to stretch your muscles, when i was a runner i used to get why what skinny legs you have, when i lifted weights people would say my legs were size of steering wheel.....i really hope ths encourages someone, I'm kind of dissapointed that the media makes it seem like your doomed to a certain body type and need this pill or that one, which leads to many more...just diet , exercise, mind over matter.

Also some UFC fighters admit that they were tiny little guys in high school, even the victim of bullying, and most people assume these huge UFC fighters were just genetically blessed, no, he worked for it and literally transformed. There are all kinds of encouraging testimonies out there like that.

[C.Phantasy]

Originally Posted by buttheadyeah

the three category thing is not true....i know this cuz as unhealthy as it may have been i experimented with my body in highschool...as a young child i was skin and bone could eat whatever not gain wait the tall thin type you talked about til age 14-15 ( I was my max height at age 14) Then i started body building and by age 18 i was 225 lbs and biggest guy in highschool....a totally opposite category..i looked like a strongman...then i injured my shoulder started running like crazy...after 6 months i was tall skinny body type looked like a totally different person...in fact people did NOT recognize me...then i started body buliding again and now im the inbetween body type....so for me the category thing is more of an excuse than a fact..plus 98% of the time human bones are the same size proportionately...as in if u evenly grew me to 6' 8" like larger our bones would be same and if you shrunk larger to 5' "10 like me we'd basically be same bone..not enough difference to matter. You may say but look at wrists or hands...when i was body building my wrists and hands put on muscle and i could have easily told someone im big boned..but that would have been a lie..when i lost weight my hands became more feminine and wrists thinner.....this is true and factual i even have pictures to prove it to the many non believers...so what im saying is dont limit yourself to some category when in fact usually you can get whatever body type you want....im living proof i went from tall thin dweeb to buff monster benching over 300 lbs and doing reps of it....Another person who would testify to this, as corny as it may seem, is Arnold Swartzineggar...he to believed your body is what you make of it, i know he did steroids but his theory was right.

Please follow the forum guidelines when posting (My eyes hurt)

We are both speaking from experience (Im endo/mesomorph but was mostly Endo when I was younger).

The thing about the somotypes are that they are guidelines for how you should construct a diet or exercise regime.
As an Endomorph I can not eat as much as an Ectomorph without getting fat.
As an Ectomorph I need to eat really much too gain muscle.
As an Mesomorph I do not really need to do anything (They are naturally muscular and low BF %). They are very RARE.

Check out NBA players vs Sumos,check the bone structure around the hips and so on.

Remmember that Arnold = No scientist. Take his words with a bit of salt.

And as a conclusion: When we grow up we transform our bodies,but we do still follow the characteristics of different somotypes.

"The somotype theory" does not say that if you were skinny you can not grow muscle,it says that if you are skinny(ectomorph) you need to eat more to get big. Endomorphs get big easy but need to eat fat in moderation or else they will look like sumos in no time.
Your story tells me that you were an Ectomorph to start with (Being skinny),then you began eating like a horse and grow big muscles. You seem to be Ecto/mesomorph as of now

I hope this cleared up some questions.

[buttheadyeah]

I do cardio different then most people. I do pull-ups, push ups, and kicks. You may think how can you get a good cardio from this..

Well when you do around 200 push ups , 100 pull ups and a few kicks you get that, I just ran a couple miles, feeling.

Works for me /shrug.

[MarriedPEer]

I cant add anything to the "out train your diet" discussion, but to answer the original poster's question: Yes, I began running in mid-April. In mid-April I weighed 276 and was tired of clothes not fitting correctly, etc, so I decided to train for a 5K run at the end of the summer or sometime in the fall. At this point, Ive overhauled my diet, run in the mornings (usually 2 miles but Ive made it 3.3 before) and the weight is coming off. Thus far I've lost 14 pounds.

Ive noticed better EQ and it looks bigger. I'm not sure if its because of the diet or the exercise and supplements I take. Given my poor health before, its likely a combination of all three. My supplements include a multi-vitamin, 650MG of bilberry extract, and 750MG of greet tea extract.

[IdealPenis]

I think this may be helpful as it was for me.

RUN
RUN FATSERRR

[C.Phantasy]

Originally Posted by IdealPenis

I think this may be helpful as it was for me.

RUN
RUN FATSERRR

Charles is a good guy

HIIT and tabata is the way to go

[Lazy 8]

Originally Posted by Jelqasaurus

Due to the fact that erections and EQ are directly related to circulation, I was curious just how many people here have considered cardiovascular exercise instead of (or in combination with) supplements? I see plenty of threads talking about Gingo, EGCG, and plenty of other supps that probably increase circulation -- and thus EQ -- but I was really interested to see exactly how many people actually throw on a pair of ASICS and hit the streets (or dirt trail) on a regular basis? And on that same note, how many people understand the benefit of cardiovascular endurance.

In this thread, I hope to accomplish the following: a) get a better understanding of how many people take the harder approach to heart health, and b) perhaps educate and encourage those who don't (or have been contemplating) cardio or exercise.

Jelq, here's an article that supports the importance of CV training, especially among overweight people in their 20's.
Aerobically Unfit Young Adults On Road To Diabetes In Middle Age The message: if you want to be healthy, take charge of your future and exercise now!