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    I don't know but that Dr douglas isn't correct. So read this controversial article abouot blood pressure. I agree with him for the most part.

    Blood Pressure: Low equals "slow"

    A while back (Daily Dose, 8/8/2003), I wrote an article lambasting the
    American Medical Association for lowering its guidelines for healthy
    blood pressure for the umpteenth time. To recap, their latest
    recommendations cite anything over 115/70 (!) as being "high." Just 6
    years ago, that number was 140/90 (still plenty low). If their
    guidelines get much lower, any detectable pulse will qualify as "high
    risk" in their eyes...

    Aside from the fact that there's no evidence that high blood pressure
    causes heart disease (it's often a response to the condition, but not
    its cause), and the fact that salt intake is only remotely correlated
    to hypertension, there's one more widespread myth about blood pressure
    that most people - and their doctors - don't seem to know about:

    Your blood pressure can be TOO LOW (115/75 is borderline, if you ask
    me).

    And now, some research from Israel shows just how big of an impact low
    blood pressure can have on health - especially upon those who are
    getting up in years. According to a recent Reuters online article, a
    Ben Gurion University study showed that patients over 70 with what
    modern standards call "mild hypertension" actually thought more
    clearly and creatively than those with lower blood pressure.

    Both men and women in the nearly 500-subject study whose blood
    pressure was deemed high enough to warrant treatment with prescription
    drugs - and also those with clinically uncontrolled (untreated)
    hypertension - performed significantly better on tests of cognitive
    function, memory, concentration, and visual retention. Only in tests
    of verbal fluency was there no meaningful scoring advantage for the
    high-BP group...

    Those with "normal" blood pressure tested the worst of all three
    groups in the study.

    Similar studies in younger test populations yielded no difference in
    performance based on blood pressure. What's this mean? It means that
    physicians need to balance their efforts to control what they perceive
    as risk factors for heart disease (namely, BP over 115/75) with
    patients' quality-of-life concerns - like mental sharpness and
    creativity.

    In other words, they should stop meddling with the body and mind and
    let it find its own equilibrium.

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    Challenging the salt stigma

    Try as I might, I've never been able to make much of a dent on the
    mainstream's maligning of salt.

    Even though I've shouted at the top of my lungs that salt does NOT
    cause high blood pressure except in a very small percentage of people
    who are abnormally salt-sensitive, the mainstream continues to portray
    sodium as a killer to be shunned at all costs. And with today's
    ridiculously low guidelines for "high" blood pressure - there's no
    reprieve in sight for salt.

    But some recent European research has concluded that an extra pinch or
    two of salt per day can help the elderly to stay healthy - and that
    fully 10% of older folks suffer from a sodium DEFICIENCY! This lack of
    sufficient daily salt can cause nervousness, hallucinations, muscle
    cramps, and even urinary incontinence.

    This, amidst a UK-wide drive to reduce salt in Briton's diets!

    In fact, according to a recent Nutraingredients online article, the
    UK's Health Minister, Melanie Johnson, rejected a June proposal from
    Britain's major food producers to reduce levels of salt in food - for
    not being stringent enough! Instead, she issued more than 20 of
    Britain's food giants a September ultimatum to reduce the
    "unacceptably high levels of salt" in their foods.

    I guess it takes more than direct scientific evidence to shake the
    "salt stigma" in the hallowed halls of parliament, huh? Perhaps she
    was suffering from a low-sodium-induced hallucination...

    The campaign against salt - and the continuing misinformation of the
    public about sodium and high blood pressure - is no less militant on
    these shores. I'd hoped that after the last round of downward
    revisions in the already absurdly low blood pressure standards, people
    would have started to question the conventional wisdom on the topic.

    Instead, we seem content with today's most popular salt substitute:
    Hypertension drugs.

    Here's one salty dog who never substitutes for the truth,

    William Campbell Douglass II, MD

    ************************************************** **
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    monthly newsletter -- and FREE bonus gifts? Call (915) 849-4615 or
    visit http://clicks.douglassreport.com//t/...Ag/AgFboA/IRG2

    ************************************************** **


    For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

  • #2
    I did a quick skim of this, Kingpole, but there is another factor to keep in mind, and that is if one has other risk factors for heart disease, such as genetics, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc. Then a lower B.P. might be desirable. I have to be careful of too low a B.P. because I have normal tension glaucoma, and too low a B.P., especially diastolic, albeit temporary, can cause permanent vision loss for me.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by going411by7 View Post
      I did a quick skim of this, Kingpole, but there is another factor to keep in mind, and that is if one has other risk factors for heart disease, such as genetics, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc. Then a lower B.P. might be desirable. I have to be careful of too low a B.P. because I have normal tension glaucoma, and too low a B.P., especially diastolic, albeit temporary, can cause permanent vision loss for me.
      It is a catch 22 thing really, it seems they keep lowering the numbers to get you to take blood pressure meds. Me i tend to be on the high side. I did not have high blood pressure until i started taking diabetic medications. But now it seems to be resistannt to become lower. Im giving magnesium a go see if that works for me. Green tea failed in lowering my blood pressure perhaps i was not taking enough.


      For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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      • #4
        It is catch 22 for sure! We need the blood to get to the extremities, including our cocks, right? Does a low B.P. help in this regard? I am not sure, but I think not. Diabetes is definitely a complicating factor.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kingpole View Post
          I don't know but that Dr douglas isn't correct. So read this controversial article abouot blood pressure. I agree with him for the most part.

          Blood Pressure: Low equals "slow"

          A while back (Daily Dose, 8/8/2003), I wrote an article lambasting the
          American Medical Association for lowering its guidelines for healthy
          blood pressure for the umpteenth time. To recap, their latest
          recommendations cite anything over 115/70 (!) as being "high." Just 6
          years ago, that number was 140/90 (still plenty low). If their
          guidelines get much lower, any detectable pulse will qualify as "high
          risk" in their eyes...

          Aside from the fact that there's no evidence that high blood pressure
          causes heart disease (it's often a response to the condition, but not
          its cause), and the fact that salt intake is only remotely correlated
          to hypertension, there's one more widespread myth about blood pressure
          that most people - and their doctors - don't seem to know about:

          Your blood pressure can be TOO LOW (115/75 is borderline, if you ask
          me).

          And now, some research from Israel shows just how big of an impact low
          blood pressure can have on health - especially upon those who are
          getting up in years. According to a recent Reuters online article, a
          Ben Gurion University study showed that patients over 70 with what
          modern standards call "mild hypertension" actually thought more
          clearly and creatively than those with lower blood pressure.

          Both men and women in the nearly 500-subject study whose blood
          pressure was deemed high enough to warrant treatment with prescription
          drugs - and also those with clinically uncontrolled (untreated)
          hypertension - performed significantly better on tests of cognitive
          function, memory, concentration, and visual retention. Only in tests
          of verbal fluency was there no meaningful scoring advantage for the
          high-BP group...

          Those with "normal" blood pressure tested the worst of all three
          groups in the study.

          Similar studies in younger test populations yielded no difference in
          performance based on blood pressure. What's this mean? It means that
          physicians need to balance their efforts to control what they perceive
          as risk factors for heart disease (namely, BP over 115/75) with
          patients' quality-of-life concerns - like mental sharpness and
          creativity.

          In other words, they should stop meddling with the body and mind and
          let it find its own equilibrium.

          ************************************************** **

          "JUST ONE DROP DID IT"

          Scientists accidentally create amazing pain eraser...

          - Works on all kinds of arthritis pain
          - Soothes away pain on contact
          - Back, hip & joint pain wiped out
          - Natural flower extract, side-effect free
          - No pills to swallow

          SO POWERFUL, SEVERAL DROPS IS ALL IT TAKES! Learn more about this
          all-new and improved formula!

          http://clicks.douglassreport.com//t/...AQ/AgFboA/UYxe

          ************************************************** **

          Challenging the salt stigma

          Try as I might, I've never been able to make much of a dent on the
          mainstream's maligning of salt.

          Even though I've shouted at the top of my lungs that salt does NOT
          cause high blood pressure except in a very small percentage of people
          who are abnormally salt-sensitive, the mainstream continues to portray
          sodium as a killer to be shunned at all costs. And with today's
          ridiculously low guidelines for "high" blood pressure - there's no
          reprieve in sight for salt.

          But some recent European research has concluded that an extra pinch or
          two of salt per day can help the elderly to stay healthy - and that
          fully 10% of older folks suffer from a sodium DEFICIENCY! This lack of
          sufficient daily salt can cause nervousness, hallucinations, muscle
          cramps, and even urinary incontinence.

          This, amidst a UK-wide drive to reduce salt in Briton's diets!

          In fact, according to a recent Nutraingredients online article, the
          UK's Health Minister, Melanie Johnson, rejected a June proposal from
          Britain's major food producers to reduce levels of salt in food - for
          not being stringent enough! Instead, she issued more than 20 of
          Britain's food giants a September ultimatum to reduce the
          "unacceptably high levels of salt" in their foods.

          I guess it takes more than direct scientific evidence to shake the
          "salt stigma" in the hallowed halls of parliament, huh? Perhaps she
          was suffering from a low-sodium-induced hallucination...

          The campaign against salt - and the continuing misinformation of the
          public about sodium and high blood pressure - is no less militant on
          these shores. I'd hoped that after the last round of downward
          revisions in the already absurdly low blood pressure standards, people
          would have started to question the conventional wisdom on the topic.

          Instead, we seem content with today's most popular salt substitute:
          Hypertension drugs.

          Here's one salty dog who never substitutes for the truth,

          William Campbell Douglass II, MD

          ************************************************** **
          Interested in receiving Dr. William C. Douglass' highly acclaimed
          monthly newsletter -- and FREE bonus gifts? Call (915) 849-4615 or
          visit http://clicks.douglassreport.com//t/...Ag/AgFboA/IRG2

          ************************************************** **
          Great stuff, KP! Thanks for posting it. I'm with Douglass all the way. What do you disagree with him about?

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          • #6
            Great stuff KP.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lazy 8 View Post
              Great stuff, KP! Thanks for posting it. I'm with Douglass all the way. What do you disagree with him about?
              I think blood pressure must be considered when it is in stage two hypertension. To dis regard it altogether may be premature. I do agree they keep lowering the numbers. Lower them to much and you problems as well. 115/60 is borderline to low were talking hypothyroid low. Still to much emphasis is placed on treating the symptoms rather than the cause. The cause usually being to low magnesium, potasium and calcium.


              For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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              • #8
                My doc says a third of people lack sodium tolerence to some degree. I seem to be one of them. Lowering sodium helped my BP. I have also increased my intake of magnesium and started with some calcium.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pegasus View Post
                  My doc says a third of people lack sodium tolerence to some degree. I seem to be one of them. Lowering sodium helped my BP. I have also increased my intake of magnesium and started with some calcium.
                  Let us know if the added magnesium and calcium give you some benefits.

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                  • #10
                    The magnesium has already helped with cramps. The blood pressure might be a long term project.

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                    • #11
                      You may have to switch to a better absorbing magnesium like magnesium citrate. Also are you getting enough potassium. Really can't supplement with potasium so you have to get it from food.

                      Bananas, potatoes, watermelom, raisons, grapes, oranges are foods high in magmesium.


                      For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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                      • #12
                        Am taking Mag chelate, which should be well adsorbed. Yes I am eating my fruit and veg mom ,ah I mean KP.
                        Are these foods you mention high in potassium?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pegasus View Post
                          Am taking Mag chelate, which should be well adsorbed. Yes I am eating my fruit and veg mom ,ah I mean KP.
                          Are these foods you mention high in potassium?
                          Yes they are high in potasium.


                          For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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                          • #14
                            Have an orange tree, very old but bears well, the oranges are very fine. My grape vine gives musky flavour grapes ,some love them some don't. My papapaya died recently. Still have a guava, mulberry and avacado.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pegasus View Post
                              Have an orange tree, very old but bears well, the oranges are very fine. My grape vine gives musky flavour grapes ,some love them some don't. My papapaya died recently. Still have a guava, mulberry and avacado.
                              Avoid Grapes.

                              Its filled with estrogen elevating subtances.
                              Start:2008-10-4
                              Reborn Alpha Male
                              BPFSL (18")
                              FG (10 cm )
                              BPEL ( 23 cm)
                              MEG (15 cm)
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