Q4L's 3 Year PE Anniversary - Still no gains to report

[Dicko]

Originally Posted by quik4life

I did have 1.2 cm in BPEL of temporary gains from doing an IPR routine with a vac hanger. After a couple more cycles, I didn't get any further gains in addition to my first cycle. I went to Europe for 2 months and deconditioned while I was there. When I returned, I lost my gains and have not gained them back since.

1.2 cm is a significant gain. I highly recommend using BPFSL for length though! The way I look at stretching is basically that when you stretch the penis it gets a little longer but when you dont stretch the penis will slowly revert back to the normal size. The trick is to reach plastic deformation so that the gain will become permanent and not revert back (this takes time). It sounds strange though to not reach PD at 1.2 cm gain, perhaps the gain, or some of it, was from improved EQ? That's why I use BPFSL, so I can determine if a gain is a tunica gain or a EQ gain.

At least you have shown that you can gain. I think that's important and that you can do it again with the right approach, hang in there.

Originally Posted by quik4life

My dorsal vein is not too noticeable. It's not too prevelant, or thick. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be looking for here.

It's the connective tissue that protects the dorsal vein and nerves. In the words of ModestoMan from TP: "The dorsal thickening is a thick, dense band of connective tissue on the dorsal side (top side) of the tunica that runs the length of the outer shaft from the pubic bone forward."

Take your flaccid penis and stretch it out, now with your free hand, use your fingers to dig in and feel whats going on while stretching. The limiting factor is the tissue that is the most stretched out. Many people will feel a thick, dense, almost small cord like thing running along the penis from the base to the head on the top side of the penis. This is the dorsal thickening.

[Iguana]

Man, I feel compelled to try and help here. Maybe if we all put our heads together we can get a routine that will start you growing! Can you post every stat you can think of? BPEL, BPFSL, EG, FG, etc. Do you have a written history of your routines?
Maybe a log?

I agree with remek, I feel very confident in our latest theory the Tissue Growth Theory. Have you read through it?

[quik4life]

Yes. I have read through the TGC Theory and find it very intriguing.

I'm going to try to compile a routine that focuses on smooth muscle tissues then have you and remek critique it before I start.

My measurements:

BPFSL: 6.25"
BPEL: 5.8"
EG: 4.25"
FG: 3.0" (approximately, it varies...)
EQ: 8-9

[Iguana]

quick, here's a thought on your gain loss. I posted this in the Smooth Muscle thread but wanted to copy it here because it may apply.


One of the first things new guys ask is "Are gains permanent?" Then we give them the spiel about "cementing" which basically we have understood to mean, keep exercising the tissue until the gains become permanent. I don't know if anyone has ever questioned or examined why cementing works and what exactly happens to the tissue that keeps gains from disappearing. It may be noted, that even after seriously "cementing" gains, some guys still loose a little if they stop PE completely. So, that being said, we can conclude that some type of atrophy or shrinkage takes places after stopping PE exercises. What causes this shrinkage?

Logically, if the body is forced to adapt due to exposure to a new stimulus, such as stress, once this stimulus is removed the tendency is, for it to want to return to the previous state before it was forced to adapt. This has been shown in many other areas (i.e. bodybuilding.) It has been theorized in the SM thread that if you stop PEing the smooth muscle in the penis might atrophy causing a loss of gains. This is valid reasoning. Scientific data supports the notion that smooth muscle can atrophy. SO - likewise, could it be that if you made some good length gains and didn't work to fill the extra tunica space with SM; then stopped PEing, the tunica, lacking sufficient internal pressure to remain stretched out, could also atrophy back to the threshold of where the SM pressure is? This is assuming that the tunica has not been completely restructured by plastic deformation and that there is sufficient elastin remaining in the tunica to recoil it. On the other hand, if you stretched out the tunica and then develeoped the necessary smooth muscle to "fill in the gap" the added SM tissue could prevent the complete atrophy of the tunica?

If the SM can atrophy, why not the tunica? This could also help explain why lost gains return quickly? It could also help explain why EQ quality improves during a break - an "equalizing" of the tissues takes place. Meaning if the tunica is stretched beyond the capacity for SM to fill it, erections would be soft and weak. During a break tunica atrophy could reduce the excess space and improved erection quality?

I'm thinking that the sentence in bold could apply to you. What do you think?

[quik4life]

I think it does apply - you're right.

I want to create a routine that focuses 80% on SM and 20% on tunica work. I think that by doing this, not only will I allow my tunica to expand, but as you say, I will be working on my SM to ensure that the space gets filled up.

[kingpole]

i think i can help my methods are quite unorthadox. But firs im going to look at Jon Pops 90 day begining program.

[luismastro]

So Quik, in your case did you have any foreskin gains ??? because i was wondering if foreskin gain can be a sign of future gains .

[quik4life]

I am not cut and didn't have any additional foreskin gains.

[Eyes2TheSkies]

One day, ONE day, quik4life will have the biggest penis in the world. Never give up.

[garglechapper]

Hey Quik, I just wanted to offer some support. I'm like you in that I tend to read a lot but not post too much. Before I started PE I read your progress log with great interest and learned a lot from you and Remek in your discussions. That thread also inspired me to make the decision to stop being a spectator and try PE out for myself. So even if you aren't gaining, you are already inspiring others to take the plunge and get involved with PE. And I'm sure with your dedication and persistence you will see gains sooner or later. All the best,

GC