Best seduction tips and skills

[btbam09]

Nice thread Im one of the guys you mention, the nice guy to shy to make the first move. In school I always tell myself that Ill talk to this girl and that but when it comes time like when were leaving class Ill make any excuse imaginable to avoid putting myself on the chopping block. One time its "she looks like she doesnt feel like talking" or the most common one "oh no people are around theyll watch me approach her" and that completely ruins my self esteem thinking that someone is going to giggle to themselves and think oh that boy is hittin on her. And of course there is always the fact that if she blows me off well then I get to have the awkwardness of being in class with the girl. ugh I just want an easy button =[.

My two cents would be to just catch there eye and with nice relaxed persona just give a smile and look away. Many times I get multiple looks from them after this but a girl would have to be very interested to approach a guy first. They can have anyone after all.

[Toadstool]

Did someone call out to PUA's? I just sarged a girl today. Here's my field report:

Feb 1 was the day that students of Ottawa U and Carleton U were going to march down to parliament and protest the tuition fees. I was under the impression they were all going to meet at 10 and be down there in the hour.
I woke up late and bussed down, only to find no one. I waited like 15 minutes, deciding what I was going to do next... when I saw this lovely blond girl with pigtail braids walk by.
Me: You look like a student
Her: Yes, I am. I am looking for the student protest group.
She had an accent I don't normally hear. Was she French? Russian? She looked Swedish.
I invited her to investigate with me and from there, we started talking. I learned that she is from France and did a lot of travelling. She moved to Ottawa for aboriginal studies. She was really interested in my field of knowledge, and we hit it off pretty good. She turned out to be a fascinating girl; she does dance (salsa, belly dancing, ballet) and martial arts - I love girls who can kick my ass. Women in positions of power turn me on.

We eventually found where the students were (hadn't left the campus grounds yet) and joined them on their rally. It was both of our first times at an official protest, so I did my best do get pumped up for the occasion. I yelled, I sang, I danced like everyone else. She either wasn't really into it, or she was shy.
I guessed on the latter. I tried to get her into it and by the end, she was singing, dancing and yelling too.
We tried to talk, but it was just too loud. I had to go up close to her ear to say anything. We kept brushing arms throughout the whole occasion, and I took that as an IOI. She asked me a lot of questions about myself (IOI) and seemed genuinely interested.

When we finally got to parliament, our student body faced a bunch of political leaders... but we were too busy talking to listen to anything they had to say. At some point, I even said something like, "we're missing all of the activism because you're distracting me. This is your fault."
She suggested we move in closer... but then we started talking again.

After the protest was over, I took her on an instant date. We went out for coffee and started talking without any of the loud music or distractions. She was smiling the whole time and did basically all of the talking. I just had to say a few things here and there to keep her going, but she was totally into it.
At the end, I told her we should go to a museum (She was talking about aboriginal art) and she could teach me what she knows. I said something like, "it's hard to appreciate aboriginal art because I don't understand the meaning behind it." She was so happy I said that, she responded "Oh I would love to show you! I know so much about this." Good for me.

She doesn't have a cell phone, but she gave me her email address. I sent her a quick email, giving her almost no indication that I wanted to see her again or that I was interested in her. I figure that I'm in the push-pull stage now. I want her to think of me, and start guessing about whether I like her or not. I'm going to wait for her to reply before suggesting we go out.

I personally thought it was a good set. She found me, latched onto me, and she's agreed to see me again.
__________________________________________________ _________________________

So how did I do it?
Well, I started with something called Assumption Stacking.
Do you ever find yourself in a position where you're asking her question after question? It often becomes a gruelling effort to keep her talking, or the whole thing becomes like an interview.
Something I learned is to stop asking questions. Instead, I'll make an assumption about her and let her correct me if I'm wrong.
For example, I saw her walking by. She had a book bag, she was at the protest rally point, she looked young... Well, I'm going to assume she's a student. Bingo, I'm right. Now I look smart.
I'll look at her... I see blond pigtails, blue eyes, an unfamiliar accent. I said, "You look swedish." I was wrong; she was French.
But then she went on to tell me how everyone thinks she's swedish, how she gets that all the time and how the village she grew up in bordered Sweden.
She not only filled in the gap, but she gave me more details than I even asked for... which gave me room for more assumption stacking.

I also did something called assumed rapport. It's where you just assume she's going to like you, going to want to hang out with you. I pretended like I've known this girl my whole life and we're just playing catch-up. And look, she responded well. We ended up spending 4 or 5 hours together.
I also DHV the whole time I'm there. I maintain eye contact. I speak slowly and forcefully. I tell myself I'm king Shit... and I do it enough that I believe it. She believes it too. I'll drop small statements like, I graduated from college, I enjoy cooking.
People were all around us, too, remember. Sometimes something would happen.. and I would shout out to a person and make them laugh. This shows that I'm confident and that I have some sense of social value.
For example,
One of the songs we were singing went like "Show me what democracy looks like - This is what democracy looks(sounds, feels) like!" At some point, the long line of marching students blocked a garbage truck in a driveway. Someone pointed it out, and I yelled, "This is what democracy smells like!"
It made her, and some others, laugh.

I attracted her by challenging things she would say. At some point she mentioned how players are gross. I told her that they weren't. I said that players have an appreciation for women and love being around them, and so they mold their character to be more attractive to them. And that is a beautiful thing.
That made her stop and think. Then she changed it around and said something like, "oh I just mean the guys who hook up for girls for that one time and then drop them is gross." Which is okay, because that opened a line to talk about sex with her.
I showed her that I have an opinion and am not afraid to speak my mind.


For anyone reading and got lost at some terms, look at this:
IOI - indicator of interest
DHV - demonstrate (demonstrating) high value
Kino - touching a person
Sarge - to go out with the intention of picking up
Field Report - a description of your sarging event
Day/night game - Different venues to attract women. Night game typically involves bars & clubs, while day game is outside of this, usually involving stopping a moving girl and interrupting her day.

[Toadstool]

I'm going to refrain from putting a number to the girls I'll mention. Here's why:
A lot of people think that it's degrading to women to say one woman is a 7, while another is a 9 or 10. Like we're judging them strictly based off their looks.
While that's not true, I don't want to open the debate that PUA's are perverted dogs out to use and abuse women.

We rate women, or at least I do, because it's a judge of how good your game is. The skill needed to pick up a "1" is very, very different than the game needed to pick up a perfect "10."
The girls I pick up are usually around the 7 range. I'm still too nervous and shy around 9's and 10's. I find myself thinking, "wtf would I do with her??"
I know that's problematic thinking. Once I get used to picking up 7's, I'll move on to 8's and higher. I plan on desensitizing myself about the approach until it becomes natural.

I'm looking at it like "levelling up."
They call it "Game" because... it's exactly like a video game! You work on a skill set and you set out on a quest. You might start off at a low level, but the more you practice, the better you get, and the higher level you become. Or, the higher you'll pick up.

Which is the biggest piece of advice for any one:
Practice, Practice, Practice.
It's worthless to read how-to's on pickup if you don't actually go out and apply what you know. It's tough at first. Your heart is beating, your mind is racing... but eventually, you learn to relax and just be in the moment.

I want to talk about that for a second. Being in the moment is a beautiful, natural thing. I'm all about the day-game (I can't stand night clubs) and it takes serious ability to just relax, and be at ease with yourself. Being in the moment enough to listen as intently as you can to what she's saying, think about it and respond. See your surroundings and play off them.

The thing I love about being a PUA is that it's all about self improvement. The loner who spends all his time gaming online won't be attractive enough to pick up the hottest women. You need to be educated, or have a knowledge under your belt about things.
For example, if I approach a model and know nothing about the modelling world, that's one topic of conversation I can't really contribute to.
But If I learn endlessly, i'll have something to throw back at her. "oh you're a model? It's such a cut-throat world, blahblah"

Lead an interesting life. You can't be attractive if you're boring. Do things you enjoy. If you like dance, stop procrastinating and go out there and do it. Whatever it is you enjoy, if you lead that life and start living in and absorbing your passions, you can express that to her and she will respond positively.
If you want the girl... you gotta be the guy!
I hope that makes sense.
But this, at it's core, is BEGGING you to be who you are. Be yourself. Who *you* are is enough.

Here's how I look at it:
Women are the catalysts for new life. They make babies. In many cultures, women are idolized because of this capacity to procreate. They have something very special.
It is because of that that I think women seek out life. What is potent vs impotent? If you're a boring, quiet, sluggish guy... You'll be dismissed! You need to be alluring. You don't need to be excitingly charismatic or the life of a party. You don't need to be someone you're not. But you need to show you have passion. Passion shows life... which is what women are all about.
Show excitement through gestures, through tonality, in your words. Bring some heat in your voice and into your life.

[btbam09]

Great post rep! Gives me great ideas. One particular girl I sit next to Ive been playin it really cool. Just ask a few things before class and when its over Ill throw her a smile and walk away. Shes already mentioned talking to a friend of hers about me which was a good indication. I have no phone atm so no need to continue the conversation outside the class Im busy anyways lol but this shall be put to good use. Assumption stacking. Shes like african/ arabian or somethin crazy smokin hot dark skin and those eyes wuhoo. I shall practice on her! Get a good base until I decide to hangout with her.

[Toadstool]

Jesus Toad, would u stfu?
I just spent the last hour adding stuff in and re-editing it. lol

I'm happy someone appreciates the post. I'll throw in another field report some other day.

One thing I forgot to add is, before you get her number, make sure that she had a positive memory about you to anchor her mind to.Grabbing a girl's number is pretty useless if you don't give her something to remember you by. That way, when day 2 comes, she'll already have all of these good, positive memories about you.

[btbam09]

Ya very different this one she likes to initiate the conversation first and after this one guy bluntly telling her shes beautiful and staring at her dead on in some awkward fashion I felt obligated to make her feel normal so we had a nice chat. Dude got the hint and turned around haha I was thinkin oh wow your definitely not shy but that was the wrong approach. As for me Im the strong silent type and Im sure my demeanor keeps them guessing! I just think I come off as to strong and most girls are, how should I say, not scared to approach me but see that Im in my own little world. If I just talk to them they seem to take very well but I have to get over that hump and fuck everyone else. Think to myself this is my conversation! Sorry to poster for hijacking the thread back to topic. My seduction tip two. Its all in your eyes. Tell a story with them. I think body language is key!

[Toadstool]

haha, there's nothing wrong with telling a girl she looks good. But you need to be specific with what you say. Saying "you're beautiful" is too vague. It comes across as insincere. If you say "hey, you look really nice. You have this sort of energy about you, makes me believe you have confidence," or "I love the way your skirt and your shoes frame your legs. They make you seem like you're just floating along the sidewalk."
Commenting on the way she's dressed is also a good topic for conversation. How she's dressed can tell you something about what she's up to that day. Is she dressed business? Maybe she works at an office, as a secretary. Good place to start stacking assumptions.

It's good that you played off of his statement, though. That definitely won you points.

One thing I love about game is that you could be butt-fuck ugly and still pick up the hottest girls. The way you look means very little. What you need to focus on is how you dress, and personalizing your style.
If you want a good example ... google image "Neil Strauss." He's the author of a good called "The Game." he's thought to be one of the best PUAs in the world... but look at him. See how he's average? Maybe below average? But see how his face is energized? Doesn't he just seem like a guy you want to be around? That's a great example of someone who's mastered their style.
He's known as Style.

Touching really isn't important. It can even be bad. Unless there's a situation that calls for you to put your hand on her, it's best if you don't.
I'm saying this from the perspective of a guy who will stop a woman randomly in the street. I don't want to touch her at all; it could make her feel uncomfortable. But if she's talking about something like the softness of her shirt, then I'll take the opportunity and feel her shirt. It'd be weird not to.
Night game is different. Escalation with kino works differently at a bar than it does in the street or on a bus.

What kind of cologne do you use, Brainstick? I noticed that you asked to discuss it. Here's an idea invented by Mystery, or Style (I forget which, now)
It's called the cologne opener:
Go to a mall and grab some sample fragrances. Before heading out to a club, apply one fragrance to each arm and mark which one is which. Bring a marker to the club.
Now, approach women and ask for their opinion on which fragrance they prefer. Mark it down with a marker on your arm. At the end of the night, tally your results.
With this opener, you have a way to find your perfect cologne.

[TheSperminator]

Toad, the field reports you give + the explanation is exactly what i'm looking for. Really good post nice insights also about pick-up .. I also love self-improvement Have you studied a lot of PUA? Red books/videos? I guess so cause you know the terms DHV etc .. Perhaps you could give us some advice on some good books/sites/vids/... Repped for the good posts loved it .. Only thing I find strange is that you say kino isn't important? I've always red it's important because it says to the girl you're a sexual being whose confortable around people, especially girls. It could release good chemicals in her brain .. When a woman touches you you also feel good, know the feeling? This would be the same with women..

+ I already knew the cologne opener but i'm sure other guys can benefit from this post I haven't tried it though .. My biggest problem isn't talking to girls/expose myself .. It's just that I really find it akward to go out by myself in bars (no social proof), my friends are all winers if we talk about women "I just wait untill she passes me by" .. Sounds a bit to dreamy for me ..I'd love to have a wingman who I can analyze my approaches with etc.. Any tips?

Ooh btw i'm more of a nightclub type the music gets me vibed up, I love a drink to get a bit looser (ofcourse i'm not walking around completely drunk ), You need to stand close together to talk you can really teleport your interest actually

-Brain

[Toadstool]

I play day game, Brainstick. You can see me chasing down beautiful women, interrupt their day and seduce them like that. When you stop a moving girl, you don't want to play up the kino. You want to escalate with your words and your tonality.
But in the club, kino is received very differently. People go to the club for that physical connection - it would be weird not to touch her in this setting. It's cool to smell her hair at a club and have her think it's hot. If you do the same thing in day game, it's really creepy. In a club, you can read her palm and make yourself look magical or mysterious. In the street, you'll come across as an entertainer, someone who she probably won't sleep with.
Do you see what I mean? I'm gaming girls at a different part of the day.

I haven't read a whole lot about the PUA world. I have the book "The Game" by Neil Strauss - a friend got it for me for christmas. It opened my eyes to this world... and BLEW my mind. It got me excited.
I also visit the website daygame.com. It's where I learned how to approach and close with women.
If you want to see a video about what I'm talking about, youtube the name Yad. Here's a link I found was IMPRESSIVE beyond words.
Yad does best ever Day Game Pick Up video kiss close, PUATraining - YouTube
Less than ten minutes, and look at the way she makes out with him. What did he do? What the hell just happened?
You'll see me doing that one day.

I have looked up stuff by Ross Jeffries... and honestly, I thought that was really low and incredibly creepy. He works with something called NLP - neurolinguistic programming, and it's designed to touch the subconscious and influence a person to do something with commands embedded in words.
It sounds complicated. It's not. In reality, it's tricky and deceiving and I think it's just fuckin weird.

But apart from basic reading, I found that the best way to learn is to go out and do it. There's little sense in reading material if you don't apply it, right? It's a good reference for the framework though.

Game is addictive though. My grades have been falling because I'm focusing more on girls than my own life. Just be warned.

[TheSperminator]

I know right!! Ross jeffries is really akward!!! .. I really need to see that with my own eyes before I truly believe he can do that, hypnotizing a girl, ankering her with a gesture etc .. Crazy stuff.

Too me Ross Jeffries looks more like a pedofile/sex-addict.

I've done a couple of approaches in the past .. let's say my succes rate was 50% .. I still remember my first attempt, I walked towards this girl and while talking I bumped my head against her, she was definetly a 9, I was drunk and didn't give a fuck at that moment. Now i've got numbers from a couple of 7-8's .. Thanks to PUA I already kissed a black girl haha i'd love to aim for 10's ..

Another struggle block is that the girls aren't endless in my region, you know what I mean?

grtz