I don't know how relevant this is, as all the major studies have similar answers. Yes the lifestyles was a little shorter than some others and if you wish in your mind to add a fraction to make it bpel go ahead.
Everyone's ganging up on my friend helpmeout. I know it gets tiresome hearing someone else obsess about something you don't care about, and I know that you're just trying to help him move on, but give the guy a break.
I'd say there's more than a handful of OCD members on here. For some guys, it's "when will my dick be 7.38176 inches long? Two months? Three months? I have to know tonight, because my girlfriend needs to buy her airline ticket". For others, it's " My dick is 10 X 7, but my girlfriend says she's been with two guys who were 12 X 11. What are the odds this is true? 1 out of 800, 1 out of 1002? 1 out of 2030?"? So helpmeout is obsessing about what the true average is. So what. I would expect the rest of the world to react badly, but isn't this the place where people are supposed to vent these types of insecurities?
Guys, come on, we're all obsessing about something on here. Don't you think it's a little mean to get on the guy who's obsessing about something you're not, just because you're OK with that thing. I can see ignoring it, but do you really have to get all over someone who is stuck.
I think part of the problem is the double-speak that goes on around here, that many other people have mentioned. And I'm not faulting people for it. I understand the intentions. But, for example(completely made up) - "penis size is not a big factor at all" followed shortly in another thread by "I just fucked my wife with my huge dick and she soaked the sheets". "Average size doesn't matter" followed by "I just pulled on my dick for 5 days straight and I think I've finally reached 6 inches BPEL".
I'm not saying that one person has made such opposing comments. I'm just saying that there are a lot of mixed messages around here. And again, I understand why. People want to be supportive, but people also want to celebrate their successes.
I do think, though, that when it comes to the studies and averages, some people want to convince themselves that the averages in the studies are higher than in the general population, and others want to convince themselves that the averages in the studies are lower. And guys who are well above average, just don't care. But to guys who are close, or who are below average, it matters a lot.
No, you aren't going to pull out a study that lists average penis size when you're with a girl, and I agree, that what the average is doesn't change your size, but knowing the true average does help a guy know whether a girl he's been with might consider him small, average or large. That matters to a lot of guys. If you think that's ridiculous, I think you're being insensitive.
I don't think it's surprising at all that helpmeout is still obsessing about the true average. He cares about it, and the data is confusing. To make matters worse, probably the most quoted study on here is the one that is the most unclear regarding methodology - LifeStlyes.
I have to confess that I think I contributed to his confusion by insisting that LifeStyles was NBPEL. I don't think there's any way we'll ever know. That's why I choose to put it to rest in my mind with the worst case scenario - that it was NBPEL. But I write it off as an anomoly because of the selection process.
This is way too long, but one final thought. I think what keeps people stuck in a loop is conflicting ideas, especially people with OCD tendencies(I should know, trust me). When someone who is obsessing about average size hears that the average length is 5(Wessells) and then the next day hears that it's 5.9(LifeStyles), they can't get out of the loop, especially if they sense that someone may be bending the truth just to make them feel better. Telling them to stop obsessing is of no help at all. Trust me. If you want to help someone who is stuck in a loop, try to help them see a clear answer to their question.
So to helpmeout, here's my attempt to help you out:
I have to admit that I never paid too much attention to the length studies until you started posting here. I obsess about girth, but you made me curious, so I started rereading all the studies I had read and paid attention to the length results. Here's my conclusion based on rereading only about half of the studies.
I agree with you that there are a couple of studies that put BPEL(either directly or derived by adding 1.6 - 2.3 to BPFL) at around 6 - 6.2. These include Wessells(measured, not derived at 6.1 - 6.2), the British study(derived at 6.1), the Italian study(derived at 6), and Greek(derived at 6). But there are others, most of which are stretched length and NBP, that come up with a derived BPEL of less than 6. I think most of the ones I'm thinking of are Middle Eastern or Asian, which I know you don't care about.
Here's one for you, though. The German study. Measured BPEL in a lab. No self-measurement. Not sure how they selected the subjects, but I think it was a Urology department, so it was probably reasonable. I'm not sure though, so I won't bend the truth on you. I would like to read the study to find out. But the BPEL in that study was 5.7 inches. Definitely BPEL. Someone at Thunders read the full article. That's white Europeans. Probably 30 - 50 % of Americans have some German ancestry, so I would say that's about as American as you can get.
helpmeout, I obsess about the studies just as much as you do, if not more. If you want to discuss the different studies and the different ways to twist and interpret them, PM me. It would be fun.
And to all you meanies, he's just dick-obsessed, just like all of you. Give him a break.
Last edited by ThinJohnny; 08-10-2012 at 03:11 AM.
Excellant piece Thinjohny. I can definately sympathize with Helpmeout because I have proposed some of the same arguments before and on more than a few occasions I have been ganged up on here. A rep for you.
Thanks Coltar. Yeah, I know, people can get a bit impatient around here, but I think it's just frustration that someone else is so stuck on something they're not bothered by at all. They can't understand it.
I remember you are girth-obsessed like me. Speaking of studies, I think the Italian one is a good one for you. It has the highest flaccid girth number recorded in any serious study I've seen - around 3.93 inches flaccid girth. It was around 3300 guys. If we say that on average, guys gain around 1 inch with an erection, that would put erect girth at around 4.93. That's higher than any other study I know of, and it's still way lower than what you and I both would have thought from seeing other guys in the shower. And again, that's European guys, not Asian or Middle Eastern, so even guys who discount the Asian and Middle Eastern studies, can still feel confident that average erect girth is under 5 inches. A few of the Middle Eastern and Asian ones had flaccid girth at around 3.5. One was 3.25.
Thanks XitemeM. I hope that didn't come across as rude. Just
trying to support another obsessive compulsive dick obsessed
Just to clarify one thing. I'm not trying to declare that 6 inches
BPEL is average. There are definitely studies that have it lower.
I was just trying to let helpmeout know that he's not alone
in interpreting the studies with higher averages the way he is.
I'm sure there are other studies done on Europeans or
Americans with BPEL under 6. I've seen them. I just
don't have them memorized. One of these days, I'll
post a complete list of all the ones I've seen.
I did, and I got back their entire 4 page press release with all the details they had. It said verbatim what was on Mr. Averages website about the measuring methodology and then loads of other stuff. Thats all the lady knew. Also just as an FYI the girth data on the Mr. Average website is completely false according to what the lady sent me. But point being, she never said anything about pushing the fat pad in as demone said they did. Maybe he got a different e-mail from someone more knowledgable who talked more in detail about what "At the pubic region" means. I just wish he could show us that e-mail but he said its on a different account. Oh well.
I personally think it ranges from 5-6 inch length, 4.5-5 inch girth. Give or take maybe 1/4 inch. These seem to be the range most studies fall in.
I've said it a few times but what many claim to be the avg is the high at best. If the base line absolut penis size is 6x5 with no exceptions then There would be a lot of happy women out there.
The fact is some of these studies relied on self measured results, these studies are a joke. Also The ones that were measured by medical staff or others were selective. They didn't hold a gun to anyones head and say "Let us measure it or die!". They asked if they could measure your penis. It can be insured that anyone who considered them self above or higher jumped at the chance, You could also bet most who considered them self to be severely under wouldn't of allowed the measurements.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Most of these results simply show what the avg is for a guy to feel comfortable with his penis being measured.
I'd suggest starting a healthy PE routine and let your new penis take shape. Avg sizes won't adjust themselves, You can adjust your own size. Why not do it?