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vegetarian · 10-20-2009

Well I just saw another thread talking about soy. So I'm starting this one so we can get a few things straight.

Soy plays an important part in my diet - it's played a big part in changing my body - losing weight, building muscle and increasing penis size.

Along with rice, wheat, barley, and millet, the soybean was considered one of the five sacred grains of China.

Some people on the forum insist that soy is bad and has a lot of negative effects on your metabolism. I respect their views, because they are not entirely wrong, but there's another side to the story. The challenge is understanding that not all soy is bad!

The culprit is unfermented soy. It has been linked to malnutrition, digestive distress, immune-system breakdown, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders and infertility.

Now, fermented soy products like miso, tempeh, natto, and soy sauce are good for you. The fermentation process reduces or eliminates the phytic acid and phytates in soy which is responsible for the bad side effects described above.

Several studies suggest important benefits of fermented soy. For instance, isoflavones may prevent the growth of estrogen-dependent breast cancer cells. Isoflavones "encourage" the body to break down estrogen more quickly -- before it can stimulate cancer cells to grow. Instead of lingering in the blood, bits and pieces of estrogen molecules wind up in the urine. Isoflavones can also slow prostate cancer cells from growing.

Also, fermented soy has a lot of nutrients like vitamins and aminoacids which have their particular benefits on the body.

Soy's biggest impact is on cholesterol levels, according to a mound of studies. One published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that men who ate a low-fat diet and relied on soy as their main protein source for five weeks saw their "bad" (LDL) cholesterol levels decrease by as much as 14% and their "good" (HDL) levels increase by as much as 8%. Men who ate a low-fat diet but instead relied on meat as protein also saw their cholesterol levels significantly improve, though not as much as the soy-eaters.

In conclusion, I'd like to point out that although there's no need to give up your favorite frosty shake made with soft tofu, frozen strawberries and a dab of honey, but remember you may not want to eat soy for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yet there's nothing wrong with incorporating soy into a healthy diet that includes fruits, vegetables and whole grains.

PhibbysHammer · 10-20-2009

Thanks for the expose' Veggie. I've noticed that many of my vitamins and supplements use a capsul made from soy also.

JonPop · 10-20-2009

Just went and looked. My "Fish Oil" capsules contain soy. But none of my other sup's do.

PhibbysHammer · 10-20-2009

I've checked and my gel capsules either contain soy or gelatin, so I guess they're using the soy for the capsule portion. My hard tabs and pills don't contain any soy.

JonPop · 10-20-2009

Ditto.

JohnSmith011 · 10-20-2009

yup my fish capsules contain soy too

Pegasus · 10-21-2009

UMM veg, you do realise that soybean is a bean not a grain?

vegetarian · 10-21-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pegasus

UMM veg, you do realise that soybean is a bean not a grain?

Oops, my mistake.

I stand corrected. That should've been:

Quote:

Along with rice, wheat, barley, and millet, the soybean was considered one of the five sacred crops of China.

JonPop · 10-21-2009

Yes. Flogging you with a bean sprout.

tinytimisbig · 10-21-2009

What about soy milk? Is it fermented?

10-20-2009	#1
vegetarian PE Gym Editor Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 288	Soy: good or bad? Well I just saw another thread talking about soy. So I'm starting this one so we can get a few things straight. Soy plays an important part in my diet - it's played a big part in changing my body - losing weight, building muscle and increasing penis size. Along with rice, wheat, barley, and millet, the soybean was considered one of the five sacred grains of China. Some people on the forum insist that soy is bad and has a lot of negative effects on your metabolism. I respect their views, because they are not entirely wrong, but there's another side to the story. The challenge is understanding that not all soy is bad! The culprit is unfermented soy. It has been linked to malnutrition, digestive distress, immune-system breakdown, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders and infertility. Now, fermented soy products like miso, tempeh, natto, and soy sauce are good for you. The fermentation process reduces or eliminates the phytic acid and phytates in soy which is responsible for the bad side effects described above. Several studies suggest important benefits of fermented soy. For instance, isoflavones may prevent the growth of estrogen-dependent breast cancer cells. Isoflavones "encourage" the body to break down estrogen more quickly -- before it can stimulate cancer cells to grow. Instead of lingering in the blood, bits and pieces of estrogen molecules wind up in the urine. Isoflavones can also slow prostate cancer cells from growing. Also, fermented soy has a lot of nutrients like vitamins and aminoacids which have their particular benefits on the body. Soy's biggest impact is on cholesterol levels, according to a mound of studies. One published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that men who ate a low-fat diet and relied on soy as their main protein source for five weeks saw their "bad" (LDL) cholesterol levels decrease by as much as 14% and their "good" (HDL) levels increase by as much as 8%. Men who ate a low-fat diet but instead relied on meat as protein also saw their cholesterol levels significantly improve, though not as much as the soy-eaters. In conclusion, I'd like to point out that although there's no need to give up your favorite frosty shake made with soft tofu, frozen strawberries and a dab of honey, but remember you may not want to eat soy for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Yet there's nothing wrong with incorporating soy into a healthy diet that includes fruits, vegetables and whole grains. Last edited by vegetarian; 10-20-2009 at 07:49 AM.

10-20-2009	#2
PhibbysHammer Super Moderator PE Gym Editor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,821	Thanks for the expose' Veggie. I've noticed that many of my vitamins and supplements use a capsul made from soy also. __________________ Dr. PhibbysHammer has not got 3 degrees from HARVARD, YALE and PRINCETON and is in no way LICENSED TO PRACTICE MEDICINE or PSYCHOLOGY. http://www.pegym.com/forums/success-...hacts-phi.html

10-20-2009	#3
JonPop Senior Administrator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Ca Posts: 5,067	Just went and looked. My "Fish Oil" capsules contain soy. But none of my other sup's do. __________________ I've got a Tiger by the tail.

10-20-2009	#4
PhibbysHammer Super Moderator PE Gym Editor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,821	I've checked and my gel capsules either contain soy or gelatin, so I guess they're using the soy for the capsule portion. My hard tabs and pills don't contain any soy. __________________ Dr. PhibbysHammer has not got 3 degrees from HARVARD, YALE and PRINCETON and is in no way LICENSED TO PRACTICE MEDICINE or PSYCHOLOGY. http://www.pegym.com/forums/success-...hacts-phi.html

10-20-2009	#5
JonPop Senior Administrator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Ca Posts: 5,067	Ditto. __________________ I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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JohnSmith011 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 298	yup my fish capsules contain soy too __________________ Started 8/4/09 BPEL 6 1/2'' BPFL 6 9/16'' EG 4 3/4'' 9/4/09 BPEL 6 3/4'' BPFL 6 13/16'' EG 5 1/8'' 10/4/09 BPEL 6 3/4'' BPFL 7'' EG 5 1/4'' 11/4/09 BPEL 6 15/16'' BPFL 7 1/8'' EG 5 1/4'' 12/04/09 BPEL 7 1/16'' BPFL 7 1/4'' EG 5 1/4'' Current Goal BPEL ( 7 1/2'') EG ( 5 3/4'')

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Pegasus Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,488	UMM veg, you do realise that soybean is a bean not a grain?

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JonPop Senior Administrator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern Ca Posts: 5,067	Yes. Flogging you with a bean sprout. __________________ I've got a Tiger by the tail.

10-21-2009	#10
tinytimisbig Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 21	What about soy milk? Is it fermented? __________________ Starting: 09/12/09 BPEL: 5" / EG: 4.25" / EQ:90% Current: 10/20/09 BPEL: 5.5" / EG: 4.25" / EQ: 70% Short term Goals: BPEL: 6" / EG: 5" / EQ: 100% Ultimate Goals: BPEL: 9" / EG: 6.25" / EQ: 100% Or until my wife starts to complain.

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