STILL not gaining. Over a year.

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Is it possible that some people just can’t gain?

I’ve been at this PE thing consistently for a little over a year now. I’ve yet to experience one iota of a gain in just about ever aspect. I’m starting to get depressed about even after I swore to myself that I never would.

I did the Newbie routine religiously for 3 months. I never missed ONE session. I perfected technique to the best of my ability. I saw some instant positives as my erections did appear harder and my flaccid appeared much bigger. My EQ has always been high so I can’t really say that improved.

These positives are still with me today.

I started intensifying after the newbie period, but not aggressively. I slowly worked my times up on jelqing and stretching. I also started incorporating different exercises such as Ulis, Compressors, and I also dry jelqed for 3 months.

I had an ADS stint for 3 months with no results.

I haven’t tried pumping or hanging and I won’t either. So many people have success with manual; I figured I wouldn’t have to buy all those devices.

I even took a 3-week break with no PE.

I came back from the PE break and started with a newbie routine again. No results.

Overall, I have probably put about an inch onto my typical flaccid which is great. I’m completely ecstatic about that. But my erect length and girth has remained unchanged. I’m not ecstatic about that at all. I would have thought that after over a year, I could have seen something. I guess not.

So, my question remains: Can some people do this for eternity and never gain?

Perhaps I just need some guidance.

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P.S. – I am doing PE because 2 years ago, I had a girl at my school tell me that I was too small to really please women. She told me that I should stick to guys because they are “tighter” and I might be able to pleasure them. Talk about a kick in the balls.

For reference, my dick is BPEL 6.00” and EG 4.25”. My flaccid hangs around 4.5”

[PhibbysHammer]

This is a good example as to why we strongly suggest Logs and Journals to track application and results. Had you kept a log we could go back and look at everything and troubleshoot your routines, but since you didn't, we can only speculate as to what might be holding you back.
You contradict yourself when you say you noticed "Harder erections" but then say your EQ didn't improve as it was always high. Harder erections and a larger flaccid are certainly gains on their own, but makes it even more baffling as to why you noticed no length or girth gains.
"Can people do this for an eternity and never gain?" you ask.
I think that is possible if they aren't doing it right. The mechanics that produce growth are simple. We tear cells and tissue up, destroy it and damage it, causing the body to repair it. Since you haven't grown with a year of exersize, it would appear that ........................
1. You did the exersizes improperly
2. Your body has some weird problem with tissue regeneration and won't let you grow
3. You haven't measured accurately
4. You didn't in fact exersize for a year, or much at all
Now before you get insulted at #4, keep in mind I'm listing every single possibility I can think of as to why you didn't grow, this is in no way a personal assault on your character. Since you exhibit positive PIs that are common to "gainers" (larger flaccid and Harder Erections) it makes it even more perplexing.
I'm going to give you good character points and scratch #4........................I also find #2 hard to believe when you showed some common Positives with gainers.............which now leaves us with #1 and #3.....................I'm betting you had growth but somehow missed it or that you in fact didn't do the exersizes properly or consistently.
Sounds like I'm slamming you , I know , but I'm not, I'm just trying to reasonably assess why you lacked gains and this is the best I can do in the blind.
Why don't you start a log/journal and let's start tracking your results. You can start over (nothing to lose right?) from scratch and maybe we can help you get on the path to growing.

[Mr.Friend]

Alright bro. First dont listen to that cunt who said that about you. Secondly, prolong your warmup, take a decon break man. Keep your head up. One thing I ALWAYS remember hearing from kp is that he usually experiences SOME sort of LOSS in EQ during growth (this would symbolize future growth or already current growing). Keep that all in mind. Also, supplements may help as well, as they increase overall (even when flaccid) bloodflow to the penis, which is good and is WHY we do helicopters and such to keep our penises fuller with blood throughout the day, so as to make the healing process more effective and take less time, as of course, there would be more blood in the penis. The penis heals when flaccid you know? Don't lose hope yet buddy, because if Im not mistaken, you are young, meaning, hell, EVEN if it were to take even ANOTHER year to make even a small gain, and then even SLOW gains from there, onward, I'd say, "WHY NOT?" Because, the fact of the matter is, no matter what, you will see gains. Even if they are slow, you will have them later in life, and just being able to live with THAT is incredible my friend!!!!! .

Don't you lose hope, you've got in in you!! WE (yes we) are a family, and are here for you. Time for a decon break, a breather (to reduce anxiety and skepticism which can directly affect gains), and, undoubtedly time to find your limiting factor (can't stress this enough). Man, we are going through this together!!!! Your're getting these gains whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, my fellow PE member and theoretical relative. WE'VE (notice the WE) GOT THIS

[Hairtrigger]

I would have raise the question of warmup. IMO this is something that can't be done in a shower to be effective, please give us an idea of your warmup routine.

Also at what erection level were you Jelquing at? I believe my target erection level for maximum gains is around the 40-60% mark. At this level I can get the greatest amount of compression and stretch. Jelqing at 90% is nothing more than masturbation, if it were possible to gain with a much higher erection level I would have had a 9X7 unit before I was 18yo.

One other thing you mentioned was that you noticed positive PI's, this tells me you were most likely doing the exercises correctly but probably never increase the intensity and/or time to produce gains. It may sound weird but your EQ will have to suffer slightly for gains to be made, this is an indicator that you are working all the tissues in your unit and they are responding in return. This is the price most experienced PE'ers have to pay, depending on the amount of conditioning newbies can gain with alot less effort and should use the least amount of exercises to produce gains. Nothing like those newbie gains.

Just a summary but how many inches has anyone ever gained from masturbating in the shower?

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To address the comments about Decon breaks - you should re-read my original post. I took a 3 week Decon break and it yielded no results. My understanding of Decon breaks is that you take them to let the tissues relax for awhile from all of the tearing and breaking down. Well, since I have OBVIOUSLY not accomplished any of that, I don't really see the need in taking another one.

I warmup thoroughly before EVERY session. I use a rice sock and it is hot. My penis is red and very elastic following my warmups which are never shorter than 10 minutes.

I target an erection level of 50% when I jelq. I can't obviously guarantee that I have always jelqed at that level, but I can say that I never jelq at a level higher than 70%. I have jelqed at lower erection levels as well (20-30%) but I never felt like anything was going on.

Phibby, I know you are not slamming me. But I can guarantee you that I have done this for over a year. My measuring has been consistent, almost to the point of being anal. I only measured once a month but I was extremely meticulous in how I did it. I triple checked everything. I measure with a ruler, a small dowell rod, and the length from the bottom of my navel to the tip of my penis. Trust me, I was thorough.

And it's very very frustrating to be hearing that I should start over from scratch, for the 3rd time.

My attitude is getting worse by the minute.

[kingpole]

Relax, this is the key to gains, never do PE frustrated or anxious. Smooth muscle tends to become restricted during these emotinal phases.

Your warm physiology is great red and plump, 10 minute warm ups are great, your dick is stuck in stasis between an improved flaccid but no erect gains to speack of. It wants to get there. The less is more aproach is likely your anser.

Rule 1#: Make sure PE feels good. If PE don't feel good it wont work.
Rule 2#: make sure your grip is feather light. Soft grips allow for maximum plumping.
Rule 3# Your not wanking enough or long enough, this needs to be done to cement the gain.
Rule 4# exercise patience, again lack of patience, stress, anxiety, fear. All these emotions constrict blood flow. Why so you can run from danger faster. PE should not have a danger effect.
Rule 5# take a cortisol blocker before you engage in PE examples of cortisol blocker are "B" vitamins, ginkgo biloba, Green Tea. Take something 45 minutes before PE.
Rule 6# No Rogain or Propecia, thes may help your hair grow but can cause ED.
Rule 7# Don't smoke you can hinder gains while smoking, quit smoking.
Rule 8# cut back on the beer, beer is estrogenic, switch to wine but don't get drunk. If ylou don't drink don't start it ain't worth it.

[COL66]

Originally Posted by kingpole

Relax, this is the key to gains, never do PE frustrated or anxious. Smooth muscle tends to become restricted during these emotinal phases.

Your warm physiology is great red and plump, 10 minute warm ups are great, your dick is stuck in stasis between an improved flaccid but no erect gains to speack of. It wants to get there. The less is more aproach is likely your anser.

Rule 1#: Make sure PE feels good. If PE don't feel good it wont work.
Rule 2#: make sure your grip is feather light. Soft grips allow for maximum plumping.
Rule 3# Your not wanking enough or long enough, this needs to be done to cement the gain.
Rule 4# exercise patience, again lack of patience, stress, anxiety, fear. All these emotions constrict blood flow. Why so you can run from danger faster. PE should not have a danger effect.
Rule 5# take a cortisol blocker before you engage in PE examples of cortisol blocker are "B" vitamins, ginkgo biloba, Green Tea. Take something 45 minutes before PE.
Rule 6# No Rogain or Propecia, thes may help your hair grow but can cause ED.
Rule 7# Don't smoke you can hinder gains while smoking, quit smoking.
Rule 8# cut back on the beer, beer is estrogenic, switch to wine but don't get drunk. If ylou don't drink don't start it ain't worth it.

funny you mention those. bc i was losing hair and i was scared of propecia's potential side effects, i rain into these forums.