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PESG · 11-12-2009

Yeah, I'm aware there is a loading and maintenance phase. I've been on creatine before. I was just using that formula as a reference to show that Radiohead and RIB's dosages are not absurdly high as I originally thought.

Pegasus · 11-12-2009

These doses Radio and Rib are talking about are not loading doses and are thus 4 plus times higher than the recomended dose of 5 g.
Or if you take that sites recomended dose of 2.7g(for a 200lb guy) it is 7 times higher.

Of course there is no real need for a loading dose anyway ,it seems to confuse people.

Pegasus · 11-12-2009

Bodybuilder types use vast amounts of drugs and I can't convince them that is unhealthy and not a good idea.
Think I am wasting my time here.

For a footballer to need 15g maintaince he would need to be 500lb odd, having said that it makes more sense than radio being on 20g.

Anyway, I tire of being the voice of reason ,it is so unrewarding.

PESG · 11-12-2009

Pegasus, I'm not discrediting what you are saying. Please don't think that. I completely understand what you are talking about.

RIB2211 · 11-13-2009

Pegasus, I too am not trying to discredit you. There's a lot of ways to do something in regards to health. I take all of my weightlifting advice from my old coach who moved on to a Big Ten strength program. While there, he studied a three-year observation by a Texas A&M Sports Nutritionist that was based on the effects of creatine. The study revealed the recommended dose to be 12g-15g a day.

Is this right? I think it is, and that's why I followed it. I had a lot of success too. But typically, there is a reason why manufacturers put a their reccomended dose of the bottle. For a lot of the population, 3g-5g is plenty. There are some people out there, like myself, that greatly benefit from 12g-15g a day.

Don't think I'm trying to throw you down here bud, because you are correct in everything you have said so far! But again, there's always two ways to go about things...

RockofFox · 11-13-2009

Ok guys well Radiohead you've just got to do your research and make sure you are well informed in your decisions, using sources you trust. your maintenance dose in my opinion is far too high, from my experiences as a personal trainer in a past life. The problem with anything associated with weightlifting/bodybuilding, is that if you tell a bodybuilder you should take (x) amount of something, he will then go and take (x) multiplied by 10. This then gets fed down the line until it is common practice to take a bucket load more than is necessary
This is the same with performance enhancing drugs and why modern day bodybuilders look so fucking ridiculous (in my opinion). Arnold would never have taken 1/4 as much as the guys take these days and he had a wonderful body.
Anyway thats getting off topic.
I dont think there has been shown to be any benefit taking more than 5g per day as a maintenance dose, certainly not more than 10g.
Taking large amounts of creatine will absolutely place extra load on your kidneys and liver due to the metabolism that occurs. If your fine with this and you watch yourself and dont load your kidneys with too much other shit, then do what you will. Just remember to be cautious with anything that you take.
I have included some neutral links on creatine from reputable sources that you should feel free to peruse should yo want to.

Australian Institute of Sport :: Creatine

http://www.sportsdietitians.com.au/r...erformance.pdf

Sportscience Creatine Review

DT1988 · 11-13-2009

Just remember this guys on supplements. Every major bodybuilding/fitness magazine out there owns a supplement company. (including bodybuilding.com). They give you ridiculous routines that will put you in a huge overtrained state. and then pump supplement ads all over the place because they know the readers will get frustrated with the program and turned to their many advertised supplements for help. I'm definitely one of those people who was swooped up as a sucker a few years ago. But it won't happen again.

Pegasus · 11-13-2009

Ok so mainstream advice ,for maintaince phase is 3g to 5g.
I can see an argument for 10g for a large athlete.
Rib feels a large footballer might get up to 15g.
Beyond that is the realm of bodybuilders and thus I believe, suspect at best.

seekingbigdick · 11-14-2009

I think im only going for 5 grams per day. its the recommened amount on the bottle, so thats what im going to go with.

Pegasus · 11-14-2009

Remember, that although creatine works well for most people, there are people it doesn't work for.

11-12-2009	#21
PESG Moderator PE Gym Editor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 864	Yeah, I'm aware there is a loading and maintenance phase. I've been on creatine before. I was just using that formula as a reference to show that Radiohead and RIB's dosages are not absurdly high as I originally thought. __________________ Everyone dies... But not everyone lives HAPPY HOLIDAYS PE GYM!

11-12-2009	#24
PESG Moderator PE Gym Editor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 864	Pegasus, I'm not discrediting what you are saying. Please don't think that. I completely understand what you are talking about. __________________ Everyone dies... But not everyone lives HAPPY HOLIDAYS PE GYM!

11-13-2009	#25
RIB2211 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 641	Pegasus, I too am not trying to discredit you. There's a lot of ways to do something in regards to health. I take all of my weightlifting advice from my old coach who moved on to a Big Ten strength program. While there, he studied a three-year observation by a Texas A&M Sports Nutritionist that was based on the effects of creatine. The study revealed the recommended dose to be 12g-15g a day. Is this right? I think it is, and that's why I followed it. I had a lot of success too. But typically, there is a reason why manufacturers put a their reccomended dose of the bottle. For a lot of the population, 3g-5g is plenty. There are some people out there, like myself, that greatly benefit from 12g-15g a day. Don't think I'm trying to throw you down here bud, because you are correct in everything you have said so far! But again, there's always two ways to go about things... __________________ (Jan. 2009, PE'd for four months) BPEL: 7.5 NBPEL: 6.8 EG (Midshaft): 5.25 (June 2009) BPEL: 7.6 NBPEL: 7 EG (Midshaft): 5.25 (Short Term Goal) NBPEL: 7.2 EG: 5.5 (Long Term Goal): NBPEL: 7.5 EG: 5.75 Last edited by RIB2211; 11-13-2009 at 06:47 AM.

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11-12-2009	#22
Pegasus Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,543	These doses Radio and Rib are talking about are not loading doses and are thus 4 plus times higher than the recomended dose of 5 g. Or if you take that sites recomended dose of 2.7g(for a 200lb guy) it is 7 times higher. Of course there is no real need for a loading dose anyway ,it seems to confuse people.

11-13-2009	#26
RockofFox Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 718	Ok guys well Radiohead you've just got to do your research and make sure you are well informed in your decisions, using sources you trust. your maintenance dose in my opinion is far too high, from my experiences as a personal trainer in a past life. The problem with anything associated with weightlifting/bodybuilding, is that if you tell a bodybuilder you should take (x) amount of something, he will then go and take (x) multiplied by 10. This then gets fed down the line until it is common practice to take a bucket load more than is necessary This is the same with performance enhancing drugs and why modern day bodybuilders look so fucking ridiculous (in my opinion). Arnold would never have taken 1/4 as much as the guys take these days and he had a wonderful body. Anyway thats getting off topic. I dont think there has been shown to be any benefit taking more than 5g per day as a maintenance dose, certainly not more than 10g. Taking large amounts of creatine will absolutely place extra load on your kidneys and liver due to the metabolism that occurs. If your fine with this and you watch yourself and dont load your kidneys with too much other shit, then do what you will. Just remember to be cautious with anything that you take. I have included some neutral links on creatine from reputable sources that you should feel free to peruse should yo want to. Australian Institute of Sport :: Creatine http://www.sportsdietitians.com.au/r...erformance.pdf Sportscience Creatine Review

11-13-2009	#27
DT1988 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 98	Just remember this guys on supplements. Every major bodybuilding/fitness magazine out there owns a supplement company. (including bodybuilding.com). They give you ridiculous routines that will put you in a huge overtrained state. and then pump supplement ads all over the place because they know the readers will get frustrated with the program and turned to their many advertised supplements for help. I'm definitely one of those people who was swooped up as a sucker a few years ago. But it won't happen again.

11-14-2009	#29
seekingbigdick Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 26	I think im only going for 5 grams per day. its the recommened amount on the bottle, so thats what im going to go with.