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Old 08-01-2007, 09:18 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I have read a lot stuff from you regarding these supposed "trials" and I think it's just your way of getting some advertising under the guise of conducting trials plain and simple.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I have read a lot stuff from you regarding these supposed "trials" and I think it's just your way of getting some advertising under the guise of conducting trials plain and simple.
I honestly doubt that you have read much of anything on these boards based on your statements and your inability to answer my questions.

I asked you these questions in my previous post (in case you did not read my entire answer..);

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Have you ever had your penis stretched out for 12 hours over a period of time?
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Do you own a extender or have any experience with one?
I also wrote this;
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Now, let me hear about your experience with extenders, your pros and cons with each of the ones you have tried..
I do not care if you have "heard" or "read" something.. Let me hear of your personal experiences with noose extenders, vacuum extenders and the static stretcher.

If you think I am only out to get advertisement you are very wrong. I could have been the European distributor for the static stretcher.. I declined after I had tested the device since I think it is not the best option for someone that is uncut. I am sure I could have made some decent money from such a deal.

I have been active at thunders place since 2005. Go read through my threads over there.

How do you think I came up with the modified newbie routine? How could I predict what newbies would gain from it? How could I know that the average gain for beginners would be 0,5-1cm after only 6 workouts (18 days)? How can it be that the two first people that reported gains in that thread had gained almost exactly what I predicted? What about the picture proof? Fake? Photo shopped? Hahahaha! Come on man, read up...

By the way, Kristian is using the Jes-extender in his routine, not the vac-extender. Anyone with any extender or ADS can join the trial, so can people that are not using them. If you still are not certain about what this trial is all about I suggest that you go over to thunders and read about it there.

Again, I would appreciate it if you had the courtesy to answer my questions MoreGains123. I have answered you to the best of my abilities, return the favor.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yes, remek, now maybe you understand why I am a bit more skeptic when it comes to the gains some people claim to have obtained? My gains are 100% real and I have picture proof of them as well as video proof of my last 1,2cm BPEL gain (from the IPR hanging way back).

My current routine is to wear the vac-extender for 12 hours 5-6 days per week, manual stretches every time I go to the bathroom (I use my vacu-hanger and a string tied to the door knob, using my own body weight to get a good stretch, SO/SU, L, R, SO/SU for 30sec each followed by 40 mild dry-jelq strokes. Saturday and Sunday I pump and jelq. Total rest days come when/if I feel I need them.
Babbis, I completely understand why you're more of a skeptic. It's a good thing too. Only skepticism will shine true light on PE.

By the way, is this your routine just for the trial you are running, or have you been mainly ADSing for a while?
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Old 08-01-2007, 09:54 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Babbis it's just a simple observation. You say you're wanting to conduct a trial on a product to see if the product works but in the meantime you are recommending it and planning to sell it. What sense does that make to the rest of us? You don't have proof it works but you recommend it and sell it?

I have read many posts by you and remember you wore the vac for 2 weeks and got an injury and gave it up for a while without gaining anything. Now you're back into it and recommending it. I guess I'm just tired of hearing about the latest and greatest gadget for sale which has no proof of working. Why not wait to recommend it until you have evidence it works at least?
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:35 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Babbis, I completely understand why you're more of a skeptic. It's a good thing too. Only skepticism will shine true light on PE.

By the way, is this your routine just for the trial you are running, or have you been mainly ADSing for a while?
This is the routine for my trial. Before this I was doing mostly pumping.

So far it looks as if people want to sign up for the trial to see the contents of my forum. None of the sign ups have made a progress thread or answered my PMs to them regarding their routines.

Maybe I have been unclear as to what the trial is? Anyone that signs up for the trial MUST let me know what kind of routine they will follow so I can give them access to the right forum. I have hidden most forums and will only give people access to two forums in addition to the forum where they can log their routines. Like I have said many times now, it is not my intention to start a new PE-community. If I wanted to do that I would open registration for all, give everyone access to all the forums, post up all the before and afters, make videos, create hype, etc. , etc...

It is not easy to get people to stick to something and to log their efforts on a daily/weekly basis, yet this is exactly what will make our routines more effective and the things that will help us understand how PE works even better.

Right now people are creating their own customized routines. Some create progress logs and even post clear starting pictures. The problem is that everyone wants to make their own routines. If we are ever to figure out what works and what does not work, we must try to do trials where people are doing similar routines, log their progress, have a plan, have some form of control etc.

Of course, PE is individual. Something works for some, other things work for others. My belief is that we should be able to create better guidelines for growth then those we have today. To do this we must work together, not each to his own. Data is scattered all over these boards. PE CAN be made much easier. Of this I am convinced.

The reason I asked you those questions MoreGains123 is because I was fairly certain that you do not have much experience with extenders or other PE-devices.

I totally understand how I might come across as a sales person for autoextender.com since I keep endorsing his products and have even said that I will re-sell some of them.

As of now I have made 0 money on PE. In fact, I have spent lots of money on it to find out what works and what does not. I have two baskets full of PE-devices and I will continue to find "gadgets" that I will test. I will take some pictures of all my stuff when I find the time.

The reason that I have bought all these gadgets is to actually test to see if they can deliver what they say they can. I can now debunk allot of the stuff that is out there and save my fellow PEer money and agony.

I just want to make PE more effective, more comfortable and show people what ACTUALLY works... Not smack up a fancy web-site where I have banners that say; "GAIN 2-5" IN LESS THEN 4 MONTHS OR GET DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK!", and pill ads all over. If I did that I could probably quit my job.

Because I have tried allot of devices and have experience with them, I can give sound recommendations to people that are considering a purchase of a PE-device.

I only give recommendations to people that ask. Should I keep my mouth shut, let them buy the Jes-extender for over $300 that I know will give them some serious pain? A device that I know from experience most likely will be tossed in a closet in frustration because the person could not wear it for more then 1 hour before having to take it off when the web site brags with a size calculator that told him he would grow X" in Y time if he just could wear it for 8 hours every day?

No, of course not! That would make me a donk!

Yes, I have written about how I used the vac-extender for two weeks where I kept it on for 12+ hours almost every day. Then I got the same friction sore that I had just now so I had to stop and let it heal. I did not gain anything from this little trial. I have also written that I wore a around the waist vacuum ADS (home made this time)for 10+ hours every day for over two weeks. Did not gain a single mm from this little trial either.

So, why do I recommend a device that I have not gained with? Well, I have gained from using a extender. This was how I got my very first length gains. I used my Jes-extender. I fought through the pain, made modifications to wear it longer and stuck with it.

The difference between the Jes extender and the vac-extender is that the vac-extender do not have springs in it, it is fastened to your penis head with a vacuum, has a larger base and is developed by a PEer, for PEers through testing (as opposed the Jes, that is made by a money hungry Danish doctor that has butchered many men's penises through surgery..).

When people ask me I will only recommend this extender (or the static stretcher if they are uncut) since I know they will use it more and since I know they will find it very comfortable. (Actually, I usually recommend that they try to make a vacuum ADS them selves first and tell them to click the link I have in my signature over at thunders place. It is a link to a thread I made that goes through how one can make a extremely comfortable vacuum ADS, step by step, with very clear pictures... Guess I did that only to make money eh? )

Also, I am a veteran and a hard gainer. Those two mini trials told me that I will probably not gain from only extender or ADS usage and that I probably need to add something to the routine. Since most people can not wear a device on their penis for 12 hours, I do not suspect that they will have problems with friction sores. I hope, how ever, that the new constriction sleeves are better.

I understand that you get tired of hearing all the rave of all the new devices MoreGains123 but I strongly suggest that you take your time to read up the next time you choose to imply to someone that they are $$-hunters...

Like I said, anyone can join the trial.
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:08 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I have used extenders, I prefer manual for a variety of reasons. I still wonder about the following:

You don't have proof a gadget works but you recommend it and intend to sell it?

Why not wait to recommend it until you have evidence it works at least?

I have read that the "static stretcher" and the "vac extender" are comfortable which is a good thing and a great improvement over a lot of the extenders out there but I've seen very very little in the way of posted results.
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Who said I do not have proof? Here is picture proof of my first gains that I got from wearing a extender for about 6-8 hours every day along with some light manual work; http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/s...ad.php?t=55155

Of course I recommend it. I have explained in detail why...

Like I said, I know it works and have proof of that in the form of my very own before and after pictures that you will find if you click the link I provided.

I have seen very, very little (good) picture proof of gains from any PE-method. My before and after pictures make up one set of seven that is in the thread at thunders place.

I have heard lots of people claim good gains from manual PE and hanging but I have not seen much in the form of picture proof. Want to give me a link to your picture proof where you show your gains that you have made from manual PE?

There is also the picture proof of another thunders place member that has made what seems to be extreme gains from the usage of a extender; http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/s...ad.php?t=84759

So, let me guess... Your next answer will be along the lines of; "Well, you did not make those gains from the device you are now recommending and plan to sell... Where is your proof from wearing the vac-extender?", and we could go on and on...

Extenders work, I just gave you my own picture proof of that. Lets see your before and afters... Hanging works, I also have picture proof of my self after hanging with a IPR-routine.

I took a starting photo before I started the routine I am now using. I also took a video measurement. It might take me longer then 1 month to gain since I am a veteran but I am sure I will gain since I now can keep my penis extended for 12 hours with no discomfort.

Like I stated before, you are wrong in your assumptions about me.

Tell me more of your experience with extenders and manual work.
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Old 08-02-2007, 09:50 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Frankly I'm bored with this discussion. You were going to sell your IPR stuff and now you're going to sell your extender. Ever heard of the expression "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with BS" ? I think that's what we're getting a dose of here. In other words you have too much to say in regard to simple questions and if you're really just running another "friendly trial" for the benefit of everyone I think you're too attentive to be believable.
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:24 AM   #29 (permalink)
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MoreGains,

Attentiveness is a good thing. Some people have dedications; others don't. Babbis clearly does.

If you're doubting if you can trust him, that's perfectly fine (and probably a necessity to anyone endorsing PE products). Trust is a hard thing to come by these days, especially in the PE world. But if he were really out to make money, he's endorsing the wrong product. He can make a hell of a lot more money from Jes extenders and FastSize extenders than vac extenders. I think this, more than anything else, helps prove where his intentions lie.
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Babbis,

I agree: You'll probably have to throw some real PE in there to make any gains. And increase the intensity

You may want to contact Monty and see what he did to gain. He's used an ADS in conjunction with his routine for a while now.
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