[scientificapproach]

This is a great thread! I need to go over and re read it all, but I was excited as soon as I began reading.

I am a hardgainer, never gained anything (well once I thought I may have gained a 1/8th 1/4th of an inch but it vanished).

One thing I have always wondered is what is my limiting growth factor? Overtraining too easily, or having a thick tunica??

One night laying in bed I realised the best way I can describe my penis is like a hot water bottle!! I can almost see the thick tunica in my mind like the thick rubber of a hot water bottle. Not like a baloon like some describe. Only franco columbo can blow up hot water bottles...because they are tough structures...unlike baloons which are super easy. Perhaps this is akin to tunica thickness???

Now perhaps one clue as to is you have a thicker tunica could be if you are easily able to surpass your erect limit easliy during certain activities? I hear some gusy easily gain a half inch or so when edging, pumping, clamping, jeqling?? I have never really noticed this happen, now perhaps this says something??

I think also a longer warm up may be required for heat to penetrate all levels of the thicker tunica!

We must conquer this troublesome issue if it is indeed a reality. I think my gains may depend on it?! It doesn't really bare thinking about that this could end my hopes or at least expand my PE time to 10 years!!

[Keido]

I'm curious SA, I've heard the same theory about the longer warm up and I'm implementing this in to my routine as well, but what have you done for your warm ups in the past? I've heard good things about a moist heating pad, but the one I want is a bit pricey and has been low on my list of things to get so I haven't been able to test it out. I've only ever done, at most, 5 minutes with a heating pad or electric blanket.

[scientificapproach]

Keido. Good question.

Well at the advice of kingpole and Hairtrigger I have been doing longer warm ups. I was recently doing 20 mins but just afew weeks back cut it to 10. I may go back up again.

I used to always use the hot wash cloth method. And When I began 3 years ago I would only use it for about 5 mins. I now find wet heat the best kind of heat. When heating for 20 mins I would just lie in a hot bath. Just recently I have used hot water in a plastic cup. One thing about the plastic cup is it seems to heat more of my shaft as I sit down and bend my torso down slightly, this seems to mean more of my shaft exits my body into the cup. When lying in the bath more of the shaft will naturally receed into the body I think. When using the cup I like to aslo use a hot wash cloth over the pubic bone area above the cup to heat the ligs.

I now also like to heat after my workout too. And inbetween also. I think heat is very useful in PE.

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by Iguana

Thanks Al for sharing! This article has always intrigued me.

You're welcome

[kingpole]

I think the third layer problem can be overcome by longer warm ups and warm ups between stretching and jelqing session. an example of this type of PE would be.

Warm up 20 minutes. (if pressed for time you can shorten the initial warm up period as long as you warm up during the PE session)
Stretch five minutes.
Warm up five minutes.
Stretch five minutes.
Warm up five minutes.
Jelq five minutes.
Warm up five minutes.
Kegel for a few minutes
Warm up five minutes.

Alternatives to this would be to do PE in a hot shower for thirty minutes or sauna. or hot tub. Or the use of an infra red light.