[Hairtrigger]

Originally Posted by scientificapproach

Ah, this is quite interesting. So really, is an improved EQ and MW really a positive PI?? Or more to the point, should a decline in EQ and MW really be a negative PI?

I have tried the 1 on 6 off and gained very little although my MW and EQ was almost blinding. I agree that a great reduction of either MW or EQ could be considered a negative PI, this would be a sign of overtraining. Turtling and/or a slight reduction in flaccid hang is mostly considered a neutral PI, a slightly lower EQ could be in this category as well. It just seems difficult for me to make gains and have a 10.5 EQ at the same time, maybe KP is right, it takes time for everything to catch up after a gaining routine. Keep in mind everyone is different and it will be up to you to make the final decision to know how much your unit can take.

I tried to find a balance between the two but could never get any noticeable gains, in theory it make sense that this would be the point where the most gains could be made but I believe it would take a tremendous amount of time to see results. Some people believe you need to get to a point where all the tissues and ligs become fatigued before any real growth can occur, this makes just as much if not even more sense. The Tunica and Ligs are very strong and need constant attention to keep them loosened up for growth. I say this only because it sometimes takes me up to two months to see any gains at all on a gaining routine. The downside is that the smooth muscle can be overtrained very easily along with the PC and PB muscle groups, this is where EQ comes from.

So smooth, BC and PC muscles need rest to grow and the Tunica and Ligs need constant conditioning, this has come from my experience's and reading many threads containing this type of information, the TGC theory is the best place to start if you are really interested in learning more. To sum up most of what I have just posted the majority of the work is finding what will produce fatigue in the Tunica and Ligs and allow them to be stretched but slowly enough to prevent overtraining of the smooth muscle so it can grow as well. Without smooth muscle growth you could possibly have a 8" FSL and only 6"EL with a 8 EQ, this would be truly disappointing to me. Having a known set of PI's will help everyone know if they are on track and makes their gains come much easier and safer.

[scientificapproach]

Thankyou for that Hairtrigger, a very intersting read!

Actually what I was trying to say was maybe a decrease in EQ and MW could actually be a positive PI not a negative one. Meaning that for some people if their errections are weaker and not getting strong morning wood this may actually be a sign they are close to the growth zone?

What is the TGC theory? Not heard of that one actually! Yes I am always keen to learn more, knowledge is power and all that I will search for TGC!

Ah, I actually always thought the tunica was the same as the smooth muscle part (ie tunica was made from smooth muscle), obviously I need to brush up on my anatomy! Am I still right in assuming the tunica and smooth muscle are both located in the outer shaft ie the visible portion on the penis, while the ligs attach the inner penis shaft to the pubic bone?

The way I began to view PE recently was that hardcore weights hanging and intense stretching and the whole keeping everything stretched and loose and defoming tissue was great if you have a high LOT and want to pull lots of inner penis out by deforming the ligs, but if like me you have (I think at least...never 100% sure about my LOT) you have a low lot close to 6-7 O Clock, then you dont have this option (having little inner penis to pull out). And I was thinking that the only hope for someone like me with a low LOT would be to cause actual cellular growth in the outer portion of the shaft (visible penis). I always felt that these two approaches to PE were quite different, on one hand your deforming tissue and moving penis, the other option is causing growth to gain size.

Does this make sense, am I correct in my thinking here? If I am right then the goals may require very different approaches, ie deforming ligs takes alot more stress as they are so tough, but causing growth takes a much more gentle touch. Obviously this means you may well see more negative PIs from one form than the other and still reach your desired goal as yes you may be temporaily ovetraining your unit and stopping growth BUT you would be deforming the ligs and pulling penis out!! Hope my theory makes sense?!

Thanks.

[Cernunnos]

Yeah, good posts Hairtrigger!

I would agree with KP & HT's theory that EQ and MW (thanks for finally finding us some initials for Morning Wood) decrease when you are gaining. Lately I've been trying to keep it as light as possible, just to see if I can gain with, as Hairtrigger says, blinding EQ, but I haven't been at it long enough, nor am I experienced enough (like Ht and KP obviously are), to know whether it will work at all.

I read somewhere on Thunder's that sparkyx uses a term "Go" for the moment during your rest day when your penis recovers and starts benefitting from the excercise, usually with a spontaneous erection. KP also referred to a point in the break day when EQ returns. This means you can excercise again, and have probably gained a little from your last day's excercise. It is a really fun thing.

The trick is to find that nice little window where you work your penis enough to make some gains, but not enough to overtrain. The difference between training and overtraining. I think most people will not go past this point though - after a while your penis starts making its own rules.

I don't know if any of this made sense.

[Mattyluv]

Yeah I hear you on the slight morning wood eq. loss, the thing is
I really don't get morning wood all the time, but now when I wake up, I've been prone to getting a lame chubby kinda morning wood, not flaccid, but it's the weakest my dick can be and still look hard. but focused on sex. my EQ has definitly gone up, or at least not decreased at all... only been two weeks.
Anyone else

[pensil]

Regarding PI, i get decent quick erection on arousal say 7 and it quickly fades away to 4.5 -5, what is my limiting factor tunicia or SM.

My BPFSL is.5" more than BPEL. Thanks

[b123]

I Havent Really Been Having Morning Wood Maybe Its Because Im Doing 5 On 2 Off.
Everything Else Seems Fine Though.

[hardcore]

great thread buddy!!

[Gator]

In my opinion - this thread should be the bible for all guys doing PE.