[scientificapproach]

OK, when I hung weights I was informed that rest days were alien to PE, and that PE was about deforming tough parts of the body (namely ligaments and tunica). Now I tried this approach for 6 weeks hanging several hours a day, at the end I measured and was down a 1/4 inch from my best errection length. I assumed hanging this way wasnt working for me. I switched to wearing an extender for as many hours a day as I could (3-7hrs) for 7 weeks. Again not a single rest day. This had the same end result!

I have also performed manual PE for 3 months with rest days every few days, pumping for 6 weeks with a rest days every 4-7 days and manual PE with no rest days.

I feel like I have exhausted the possibilities. And what I still find confusing are the occasional comments I read that constant PE is a definite must (because to PE is about deforming and rest only hinders this).

My thoughts go like this:

Scenario 1)If you were to perform only 10 Jai stretches a day for your PE you would likely never need a rest day, similar to if you were to just get an erection for a minute or so each day. ie minimum force with minimum duration

Scenario 2)If you were to spend 5 hours stretching your penis with a high degree of force then you would likely see some severe negative PIs especially turtling. ie moderate force with long duration

Scenario 3)If you were to tie your penis to a concrete block and drop the block you would just be hoping that your penis is still attached to your body!! (obviously this isnt PE its stupid...Im just using it for it theoretical value). ie MAXIMUM force with tiny duration. Shock attack!

Where I am going with all this is trying to decipher the best routine when it comes to PE. Should one aim to be able to PE everyday even if this means using less force and or duration? Or should one aim to hit the penis hard with either force and or duration but then take afew days maybe even weeks off PE?

In bodybuilding terms I guess this is kind of similar to High Intensity Vs Volume (Mentzer Vs Scwarchenegger). I guess it doesn't matter if you see results and you PE safely, but for any hardgainers out there it can be confusing to know what's best as people do seem to gain with different rest routines.

For the record, I know that ligs do seem to be the area people focus on when talking about constant PE and deforming, however, does the tunica need to be treated in the same way? I know where one or two moderators stand on this but Id love to get more info. I think I read that HT had the view that its a matter of balancing constantly deforming the tunica while allowing the CCs to et enough rest. This sounds like it may be the answer I'm looking for!

I think Im leaning on being able to perform PE for 5 days without negative PIs, which for me equals moderate/high intensity but fairly low duration. When I last tried very high intensity even with fairly low duration I turtled up for days!

OK, I've rambled on for long enough and I hope I have made sense. I guess the basic question is, why are we resting, what structures need rest (I read that the smooth muscle needs rest...what structures are made from smooth muscle, originally I thought it was the tunica?), what benefit from more constant PE (If ANY). And is it better to experience some negative PIs by upping either force or duration or better to always aim for not seeing any negative PIs?

Many thanks

SA

[fendool]

Disclaimer: Just my theory with zero scientific proof to back me up

Mitosis occurs during rest. If you keep a constant force on a piece of tissue (no rest) it will still lengthen/widen, however, those gains will not come from the growth of new cells, rather, they will come from the stretching of existing cells.

So i guess to answer your question we need to know:

1. How long does it take for mitosis to begin after a PE session.
2. How long does mitosis last for.

[going411by7]

There is another take on this, SA You can do intense stetches (as hard as you can pull it for a couple of seconds) of short duration, maybe a dozen or so, and then each session, increase the intensity a tiny bit more. Obviously, there is a limit to how much you can deform (yeah, that's the word I was looking for in my P.M., ha, ha), your penis. But your penis doesn't know this. Yes, I believe in penis memory.

I think visualization and relaxation are important here as well. This is where you kind of "hypnotize" your dick that it is growing in length and girth. You know, like, "Look me in the eyes. You are growing, longer, harder, and thicker." No, I am not joking. This is serious stuff here. I think visualization is extremely important in P.E.

I mentioned in the P.M. that I do not do any kind of P.E. when my dick is turtling. I have moments during the day when the hormones are obviously at their peak and that is when I dedicate an hour or two to P.E. This is usually during the morning and then in the late afternoon to evening--and sometimes in the middle of the night or early morning. Obviously your work schedule, etc. might interfere with this natural cycle, but you have to take advantage of these cyclical moments.

Hope this is helpful.

[scientificapproach]

Ah thanks for your posts guys!

Yes Ive heard about the importance of Visulization in PE. I really need to work on this aspect, Its hard when doubts and negativity set in, but then I suppose this is when its most important! Do you think anyone can gain? Even if they have had several failed attempts? I guess thats where newbie gains help so much, once you know its possible for you then your mind expands and periods of no growth are more berable! But I shall definately work on this area and definately try and practice some relaxation time!

Yes I can't see how PEing when your turtled is going to do much except turtle it more, and I presume you wont grow when your turtling beacuse something in there has been overtrained?!

Interesting point fendoll. One thing I had heard when wearing an extender is that constant force cancels cell death (apoptosis) and then switches the mechanism to cell renewal. I personally didn't experience this when I used my extender, I just wore my penis out, which makes me think perhaps this constant force has to be tiny, anything with more force seems to require rest days IMO.

[kingpole]

Originally Posted by fendool

Disclaimer: Just my theory with zero scientific proof to back me up

Mitosis occurs during rest. If you keep a constant force on a piece of tissue (no rest) it will still lengthen/widen, however, those gains will not come from the growth of new cells, rather, they will come from the stretching of existing cells.

So i guess to answer your question we need to know:

1. How long does it take for mitosis to begin after a PE session.
2. How long does mitosis last for.

1: good Q, I believe if the conditions are right immediately. those condtions would be good PI's, rock hard erections,(during the cementing stage) A slight decrease in PI's during the growth period) It is a cycle. After you had a growth spurt then you have to go right into improveing the erection quality again.
2: As long as you retain good rest periods, postive indicators, a longer loose flaccid hang, no numbness or soreness.

Think penis hypertrophy!

[papaki]

If you want my opinion:
1)go buy a ruler
2)Measure your penis
3)Set a goal
4)Then do PE every day as much as you can but with safety.Measure again.Dont see if your penis has grown just look at the ruler.Keep up until you make your penis reach your goal in the ruler
5)Then after you have reached your goal then rest.
For me it took about 1 year when I start resting and havent had any bad efects except of the adiction now to PE.Yes I was PE for a whole year for about 2 hours a day or more, six days a weak and the one day for rest I did my streches.
Some time after the first two months I have gained about 1/4".Some time after this period I have had an illnes and went to hospital.I kept PE in the toilet every day but when I left hospital and measure my penis at home quess what?My 1/4" gain have left.Not that I wasnt PE.Just because I was not so focus and it was to early for taking rest.After 2 years of PE and max gain of about 2.5" in bone pressed flausid streched length(yesterday I hit 9"!!!!!what in the hell...)I still am afraid of taking breaks.If I wasnt that afraid I wouldnt have made that gains.Enlarging your penis is very dificult.When starting PE you are happy that you can enlarge your penis but this is not real happy.The real happy is after you have passed all that and you manage to take this bick dick.Only then.....but to get there you have many work to do and many things to sacrefice such as free time and I can assume you for that.......


And something off topic.Has anyone heard anything about Iguana?I used to see him post usually but I am curious cause it have passed months that I havent seen anything of him.

[scientificapproach]

Papaki:
Yeah I know what you mean about PE being a big commitment. I have spent up to 7 hours a day doing PE (extender), or hanging for hours. I personally dont care anymore, I was willing to not get a full time job to be able to perform PE all day if I had too! But I also think there is something in the less is more approach, well if PIs have any use!

Well its good you have made such good gains. I would recommend you try and reduce the stress you feel by telling yourself you have made real strong gains, even if you worry about keeping them, remember what you HAVE! From what others say, even if you don't give up all PE, you may be able to keep your gains with a shorter routine. In the gym with muscle mass, gaining is SO MUCH harder than maintaining! But yes I can understand your fear, you have worked very hard so it is natural! Try to defeat it in little positive steps!

So with your constant little rest approach, did you ever experience negative PIs such as turtling and poor EQ and MW? You say you PEed for up too 2 hours a day, I think if I did that much manual work I would turtle up badly. Did you build up to that amount of time?

Out of curiosity, have you got a thread anywhere with your routine on it? I am just wondering what exercises you did.

Anyway, congrats on your results, you have done well!

[papaki]

Thanks for understanding my fears.only jeqls and streches I did and warm ups.No hangs and no pills.I think that overtrain is more in mind than in the penis it self.Some times because I have many work to do I study for 5 hours go to university for 9 hours and make PE the rest two hours.Then because my mind is very tired I feel overtrained and this causes turtling.Other time when not having PE I can PE for more than two hours and not feel Overtrained at all and no turtling.I could say that I have very big hangings only when I feel relaxed not have any anxious and feel good.So in my opinion you must not overtrain your self because the penis it self I think that is not very easy overtrainded.Just think that for a whole year for about 340 days and for two hours a day I had an errection to make my jeqls.But I could errect.If I couldnt then I should have been overtrained.

something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?

[kingpole]

Originally Posted by papaki

Thanks for understanding my fears.only jeqls and streches I did and warm ups.No hangs and no pills.I think that overtrain is more in mind than in the penis it self.Some times because I have many work to do I study for 5 hours go to university for 9 hours and make PE the rest two hours.Then because my mind is very tired I feel overtrained and this causes turtling.Other time when not having PE I can PE for more than two hours and not feel Overtrained at all and no turtling.I could say that I have very big hangings only when I feel relaxed not have any anxious and feel good.So in my opinion you must not overtrain your self because the penis it self I think that is not very easy overtrainded.Just think that for a whole year for about 340 days and for two hours a day I had an errection to make my jeqls.But I could errect.If I couldnt then I should have been overtrained.

something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?

Pap im still worried about you. Fear is going to make your dick shrink knock it off! Are you taking at least two days rest now? you have acomplished what most merely dream of. Not real concerned about flaccid stretch length. How are those erections are they rock hard?

[fendool]

Originally Posted by papaki

something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?

Sounds like your penis is craving for fresh meat . Maybe the sex with your girlfriend has got a little boring? Add some kink.

If you love your girlfriend i think you would be EXTREMELY stupid to break up with her over some new tail.