[scientificapproach]

I just thought I would make a list of all the factors I can think of which make up PE and try (albeit with my limited knowledge) to examine some of these factors.

Types Of Exercise:

• Stretch: Which can be performed in a number of different ways (direction, fulcrum point, twisting etc)
• Jelqing: Different erection levels, grips, stroke times etc
• Hanging: Different types (fulrcum, BTC, SO etc)
• Pumping: Different cylinders, erection levels, techniques
• Clamping
• ADS
• Extenders
• Kegals
• (warm ups/downs: type, length)
• (cool downs)

Exercise Factors:

• Intensity
• Volume/Duration (from minutes to hours per day)
• When you PE
• How often you PE
• Rest and Recovery (linked to above but I feel it is so important it needs to be typed seperately)

Penis Structure:

• Corpus Cavernosa
• Corpus Spongiosum
• Tunica
• Ligaments
• Urethra
• Smooth muscle
• Veins
• Arteries
• Nerves
• Skin

Other factors/words you will come across:

• Physiologial Indicators (positive negative neutral)
• Turtling
• Erection Quality (EQ)
• Morning Wood (MW) Night Wood (NW)
• Condtioning
• Decondtioning
• Positve thinking and mental power
• Microtears
• Mitosis
• Protein Synthesis
• Morphogens
• Deformation
• Stretching
• Loss Of Tugback (LOT)
• Overtraining
• Injuries
• Growth
• Penis Health

These lists are no way definative, there are many more factors and subcategories. I do not intend this thread to be a PE glossary, but rather a way of looking scientifically at the basis of PE, which for me is ENLARGEMENT. I know many would consider the most important factor Penis Health. I suppose it depends on where you are coming from. I personally am here to make my penis bigger! Safety is of course a major factor, and no body wants to get injured, but as with all things in life, there is a risk, all we can do is try and minimise it by educating ourselves and acting with common sense and learning from those wiser than ourselves!

When I think of all the types of PE, I feel there is one thing they all have in common, that is they all aim to produce some degree of stress to the penile tissue. The question is, how much stress is optimum. And then to me the question becomes, how much time do we need to recover...hours, days, weeks? Or do we need no time at all? I think the time of recovery will very much depend on the degree of stress the PE causes. I like to think of any intense PE causing a trauma to the tissue. Maybe this is good, maybe not, but surely it would require more time off to rest recover abd grow from?!
The next issue for me is trying to understand the deformation Vs Growth issue. Does one need to apply a certain degress of stress to the tissue for a certain amount of time to deform a certain tough penile structure such as the tunica or ligaments? If so, PE would seem to require more! More stress, more duration and LESS rest. There are many who look at PE this way and sucessfully I might add. But will this work for everyone? What of overtraining? How can we marry deformation and not overtraining? The two seem to require oppisite approaches. When I think of extender usage, the word mitosis apprears alot. The growth of new cells from a constant gentle stretch. Gentle being an important word. Maybe very gentle (low intensity) PE can be applied for much longer duration, with less rest. Maybe some people can build up to larger stresses/intensities for longer duration, if they condition their penis?

I had hoped PIs would be a helpful aid in PE, but it seems as if there is still a certain degree of confusion surrounding exactly what is a postive and negative PI. Turtling for instance, some like to turtle up, it certainly is a sign SOMETHING has happened to ones penis, I just wonder, is that something a good thing or a bad thing. EQ and MW also seems to be somewhat of an issue. I personally hate to turtle, I am PEing to grow, when you turtle you shrink, but maybe this is similar to the slight shrinkage you may experience after an intense workout on your muscles in the gym...you pump up in the gym, shrink for a few days then grow?!

Analogies to bodybuilding can be confusing also. In bodybuilding one can hit their bicepts very intensily and stress them alot, but then that person would likely take a good few days off. Yet there seem to be few who like to PE one day on and then 5-7 off. I feel if PE is about growth, then rest must be essential, unless we are talking about mitotic growth, and then the intensity of the stress must be reduced. If PE is all about deforming then obviously this changes things, however I still worry about the overtraining issue. Maybe its more complicated still, and certain structures do require deformation and higher stress and/or duration, but other require rest to not become overtrained.

Then there is the humble kegal. All about improving blood flow into the penis. I think most people would agree this is an important aspect of a big erection, but to me, I don't feel it is the key aspect of enlargement?!

There is one thing I would like to finish on, I am pretty sure we are all different. Maybe some of us cannot grow as fast as others, however I still remain hopeful and say that I think we can all grow (there is a whole mental aspect to PE I am sure). Alot of bodybuilding information has been generated by the "chemically enhanced" bodybuilders of the generations, as far as I know steriods don't has a massive effect on penis growth, even if you are PEing so PE has to learn abit more from natural bodybuilding if it wants to make analogies to bodybuilding at all even in just some aspects. One such aspect may be the theory that only so much pure muscle mass can be added to most individuals in a year without drugs. Maybe the penis and its tissues (including its smooth muscle) is similar, and in some people (the so called hardgainers) will just take time and consistency and growth will be in the region of half an inch a year or so...slow but stready?

Please bare in mind these are just my opinions, and more often than not, my questions. Me thinking out loud if you will. Please add to this with your own opinions on these issues!

Thanks

SA

[Big Al]

I'm starting to see a lot more posts like these and it's a good trend. It shows that more people are starting to pay serious attention to the subject of PE.

Some things I would add to this already extensive list:
Motivation
Goal setting
Support (from partners or friends)
Record keeping
Mental state (anxiety, insecurities, overconfidence, etc.)

PE surgery and "Chemical" PE might also deserve some mention too.

[Radiohead]

Very nice thread.

Some information is missing though. There are more structures to the penis that you enumerated. You forgot to mention: pressure. During an erection, the pressure within the corpus cavernosa's reaches 75-90 mmHG. The blood goes into the penis which causes a lot of pressure.

We cannot base PE on basic biology. It has to be based on Medicine. We need a doctor, an M.D. to help us out. I'm not going to go to medical school before another 3 years at least :P

It is my understanding that the tunica needs to be ''broken down'' so it can be nice and loose. The corpus cavornosa's are like sponges. These sponges need more sponge material to fill up the tunica, now that the tunica has enlarged. More sponge = more blood you can hold. More blood you can hold, means more pressure your penis can take during an erection. The more pressure and blood, inevitably, the penis gets bigger.

What I mean by broken down is: The tissue of the tunica becomes much more elastic and expanded. The cells are much wider and it looks like a nice stretchy smooth muscle tissue. Here's what I mean:

Soft muscle cells: http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...es/hl3A-42.jpg
Skeletal muscle cells: Image of Muscle striated multinucleate skeletal - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

We want big spaces between the cells in the tunica, like in the first picture. This'll cause it to expand.

This is one of my theories.

In conclusion: Pressure, more sponge, broken down tunica so it gets larger.

Hope I contributed.

[scientificapproach]

Thanks Big Al and Radiohead. Nice contributions.

I also forgot edging and ballooning. Im sure Ive forgotten more stuff too like I mentioned I probaby had.

Radiohead: yes, I agree, the mechanisms for enlarging the tunica and CC/CS may well be different. This is what I was trying to get at when I mentioned deformation Vs Growth. I just wonder if the CC actually needs new spongy tissue to be grown or if it just stretches out slightly? One side note, when you say that when the penis can hold more blood it can take more pressure do you mean that the pressure will be increased as the CC/CS get bigger? Im not quite sure if that would be true as pressure is dependant on the volume and blood inflow strength. I agree that if you work on your kegals your inner pressure would increase, but actually wouldn't the inner pressure actually decrease as the volume of the penis increases?...unless you work hard on the blood inflow...maybe this is where ballooning edging and kegals come in?

Thanks for the links by the way radiohead!

Thanks guys

[scientificapproach]

Radioheads post and my reply has got me thinking now. Is there anyone who thinks that enlargement is primairly a result of increased blood inflow pressure? ie that increasing the amount of blood flow will actually give the bigger erection? Mind you then what of hanging and those who gain that way...there must be additional mass gained to gain a bigger penis surely? But how much of a factor are things likeegding ballooning and kegals? Can they give a bigger penis or just better EQ and stamina?

[Big Al]

Originally Posted by scientificapproach

Radioheads post and my reply has got me thinking now. Is there anyone who thinks that enlargement is primairly a result of increased blood inflow pressure? ie that increasing the amount of blood flow will actually give the bigger erection? Mind you then what of hanging and those who gain that way...there must be additional mass gained to gain a bigger penis surely? But how much of a factor are things likeegding ballooning and kegals? Can they give a bigger penis or just better EQ and stamina?

Stretching the ligs and tunica are, in my opinion, vital to getting the most out of PE. These tissues restrict the stretch and expansion of the penis. Stronger erections are a big part of the equation though. I do think that some enlargement is possible if you were to focus on stamina work alone. After I stopped doing PE exercises, I continued to do stamina work (and I still do). I added about 1/4 inch in girth over the course of 2 years just from stamina work.

[kingpole]

This is all really good stuff. I think PE is more or lesss constantly improving EQ by doing so you stretch the tunica and expand the chamabers with in the corpus cavernosum and thicken the corpus spongiosus. Bigger penis is all about imrproved blood flow. Softening the tunica so it can then expand this is where warm ups are most important. Im going to do an expirament im going to warm up before I edge to see if the erection is'nt a bit bigger.

[Cernunnos]

Great thread, SA!

I would agree with Big Al and KP that improved bloodflow is very important to increasing size (ie, stamina work). We can stretch the tissues all we want, but if we can't inflate those tissues with tons of blood, more and more blood, how could we ever capitalize on those stretched tissues? They would go back to normal. I think that by pushing the blood up the chambers (jelqing) and being able to pump blood in forcefully (strong kegels) the veins and arteries, etc, get used to holding more blood and grow. Stretching will help things along considerably, but I did a good four months of just stretching (penis extender), and after only 2 weeks of jelqing I got better penile health than all that time put together.

Of course I still consider myself to be a newbie, and I am taking things as slow as possible. Just my experience here.

Good thread, SA.

[scientificapproach]

Thanks Cernunnos and KP.

Yeah I think those statements sum up alot of PE. Intersting thought about the blood flow, I wonder how those who hang and never really kegal gain bigger erections? And also those who use use an extender and nothing else...I guess EVERYONE needs to kegal. How much kegalling does one need to do each day? And should one take rest days from doing kegals?

KP, hows your heat before edging experiment going? Are you able to push the boundaries anymore?

[scientificapproach]

OK, here are ones options when looking at how to use the following PE factors:

The variables are (and of course in reality there are more than 2 options, but for the sake of making a table I have used just the extreme two):

• Stress - How much force you use with whatever method of PE you use. Options; High or Low
• Duration - How much time you PE per dayfrom minutes to hours. Options; Long or Short
• Rest - How many days off between PE days Options; Long or Short
• Constant - Not taking any rest days. Options; Constant or a rest option from above

Stress Duration Rest Example

Low Stress Short Duration Long Rest Lightest Possible Routine
Low Stress Short Duration Short Rest
Low Stress Short Duration Constant

Low Stress Long Duration Long Rest
Low Stress Long Duration Short Rest
Low Stress Long Duration Constant Extender company recomendations

High Stress Short Duration Long Rest
High Stress Short Duration Short Rest
High Stress Short Duration Constant

High Stress Long Duration Long Rest
High Stress Long Duration Short Rest
High Stress Long Duration Constant Most Extreme - Some Hangers Routine