[pe2damax]

I'm well aware that DHT is essential for growth and maintenance of the penis. But my point is why is he suggesting eating foods that are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. Am I missing something here? He hasn't mentioned any real way of increasing DHT levels, he has only suggested lowering them, why? Does cutting off your testosterone conversion into DHT in the body and then thinking REAL hard that you want your dick to grow fire up your DHT production specifically in your genitals? Or is it perhaps that keeping an erection for a long time with low levels of DHT creates more androgen receptors because your penis is being starved of DHT...

Sorry for being such a skeptic, but if we didn't question things we would all still be listening to the doctors that say penis enlargement is impossible.

But thinking about it this actually makes a lot a sense. If you "detoxify" your body aka eliminate DHT production in your body for a while. And edge for a while or PE to create the need for repair. Your penis will need the DHT to repair itself, when it is finding that there is not enough in your blood it will create more androgen receptors to try to eek out every bit of DHT that it can. If you follow this period by suddenly raising your DHT because you stop "detoxifying" you will have more androgen receptors and the DHT to promote growth.

[phallic1]

From what I figure, is that the reason for consuming foods and supplements which are dht blockers or 5 alpha-reductase inhibitors is to "detoxify" your blood of the bad dht levels that are associated with androgenic alopecia and prostate enlargement after increasing levels through the extended edging or ballooning sessions.

The only item I can find that is a 5 alpha-reductase activator or stimulator is one of the main active ingredients in tribulus terrestris, called protodioscin.

I've often come across the "use it or lose it" theory with andrology and the subject of androgen receptors. But then cycling Andractim gel is the prescribed method so as to maintain sensitivity to the dht.

I get wicked frustrated as well with all the contradictory information and studies with supplements and hormones. As soon as someone figures that "such and such" is the new supplement of hope, you find out that there is another side to the story...usually it seems counterproductive to our PE efforts.

...oh yeah, do'nt the studies on green tea that claim it to increase, or is it decrease test and dht, also tell us that it increases SHBG as well.

[pe2damax]

I don't know what studies you are talking about. All I was able to find was one study, and it was on rats not humans. I really want it to be true, I was drinking a ton of green tea until I realized that the overwhelming majority of studies I was able to find pointed in the opposite direction. If you can find me a recent study other than the one on rats that had to do with green tea combined with soy, I'm all about going back to green tea.

[phallic1]

I don't trust green tea at the moment either.

[kingpole]

Green tea which was given to rats had a soy vehicle. soy render green tea useless. When they retested the effects of green tea w/o the soy vehicle. It raised DHT and Testosterone. By the way DHT does not cause emnlargement of the protate or prostate cancer. It has been discoverd that in fact it is estrogen that is the culprit here.

[Pegasus]

Do you have the studies on the estrogen thing KP?

[hiro]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Do you have the studies on the estrogen thing KP?

Doctors mention this all the time. That's the reason why prostate cancer appears after 50th because then the estrogen is raising, and for this all we get chest unequal to the rest body. You don't need studies is common known.
And don't count so much in studies in rats. Every organism differs and something that works for me is not working for another and the opposite. I was consuming vitamin B complex and i was allways turtling, though i was wrong to blame vitamin B b/c i found out that the pills has a soy vehicle. So i decide to take vitamin B by my diet and i have no bad effect. The basic is to not use excessive amounts of something, b/c it could cause the opposite effect, or effect another function of our body. (For example excessive amounts of zinc, could limit the levels of copper, and this cause problems to a lot of important enzymes). When we get supps, we have to know the UL of them. And we have to search what is working for US and not for the RATS.
For now, as i consume drink tea and a lot of antioxidants, i have good results in my penis and my hair is more strong.
So this is a clue that i reduce the effect of Dht in my head and increase it in my penis. And i give possibilities, this is happening by the antioxidants (mainly vitamin C) and Green tea. In addition, i accomplished a heart beating penis in ten days, and i believe this happens by the effect of antioxidants in my circulation, and the carefull and motivating exersice.

My suggestion: Don't overdo it either with exersice or with supps, and search what has good effects to YOU.

[pe2damax]

Bottom line for me, it doesn't matter. I just got my andractim in the mail!!!

[Pegasus]

Never mind I will researh the estrogen thing when I get time.

[justwannabebig]

Originally Posted by pe2damax

Perhaps this this just wishful thinking, but I'm starting to put together some information on DHT and finding that I very well may have suffered from low DHT levels during puberty. It is certain that I did not have problems with low testosterone, but perhaps my free testosterone/DHT ratio was high.

This book I found states that signs of low DHT "have a tiny prostate gland and well as a luxuriant head of hair. They never develop prostate enlargement or go bald!" I don't know about my prostate, but I know that I have a VERY thick head of hair and everyone always tells me I'm never going to go bald.

Sexual Health for Men: The Complete ... - Google Books

Here is an interesting article about DHT.
Bodybuilding.com - The Facts And Myths about: DHT! - Reform Mag

In it the author says about people with low DHT levels:
"By reducing DHT's protection against estrogen in the body, these men have fallen victim to its most dreaded ramification-bitch tits."

If I had a nickel for every time I was calls bitch-tits I would be a very rich man.

Perhaps it was low DHT that caused me to have low libido during the early years of puberty which is why I never spanked the monkey.

If it was, indeed, low DHT/Testosterone levels that prevented my growth. It would be logical to think that taking it would help myself and other people who are sitting in the same position as me significantly with making gains from PE. Now, however, I have to research androgen receptors and ways to increase them, preferably specifically in the penis. I am going to continue my research now, but if anyone has any info on androgen receptors, your input would be welcomed.

I think im in the position that you were in. I have alot of hair on my head, very thick hair..
but thats it, no chest hair or something like that..
So Im thinking, could the reasen why im not gaining much be a low DHT level?
I know that my Test levels is in the high end of the normal, but anyway?
im not that develop yet - late puberty maybe? dont know..

KP: you says that w youngstart could tage 25mg of DHAE, but if we took to much it could be damaging.
in what way do you mean?


thanks !