[imaman]

Very interesting read KP. I read something a while back about transdermal DHT on MOS. I think this DHT Gel - Matters of Size :: Free Penis Enlargement Forums and Exercises
is it.

[Jiminy]

Like Reet B I'm gonna try using the same vitamins you used KP thanks for the info, I'm also using saw palmetto and pumpkin seed and grape seed extract. Along with L-arginine, L-Lysine, Bilberry extract 5000mg, chromium, korean ginseng and multi V. To add I already do intense cardio workouts 4 nights a week so this should be as per the study, not sure if I'm missing anything else any suggestions would be welcome Will update what happens in my log.

[kingpole]

Originally Posted by ReetB

Kingpole,

What sort of dosages of Bilberry Extract and Ginseng were you taking?

At my local store, I can get Bilberry Extract in either 500mg tablets or a high strength version which is 5000mg per tablet!

My Korean Ginseng comes in 1200mg tablets.

Thanks

I currently take three grams of billberry per day in 1 gram dosages i get it at Wal-Mart. Standarised billberry that is.
I was taking 300mg of Korean Gensing per day. Now i take American because Korean can raise your blood pressure. Both are good for producing huge wood!

[ReetB]

Kingpole,

Are either of these below "standardised Bilberry"?

High Strength Bilberry 5000mg for Eye Health - Healthy Direct

Bilberry 500mg Tablets | Bilberry Extract Supplements for Healthy Eyes - Healthy Direct

Holland and Barrett - Product details for Bilberry Capsules

Thanks

[jordan485]

hey err body

just was researchin more about dht topical gels and penis enlargemnt, on other forums and i have a few more q's about it

would it be suitable to use dht gel (Andractim) and balloon/edge for 1 hour plus 3 times a week? would this produce more gains?

also would gains more present is pumping and jelqing were done on a separate day? more gains?

would edge/ballooning for 1 hr + add more girth or length? (if my program is girth specific)

eg program:

day 1: balloon/edge 1 hour minimum
day 2: pump/jelq
day 3ff

repeat

also would ballooning/edging specificly for dht production be more potent for a 18yo (myself) becos ive read dht levels drop after puberty?

hope i didnt miss the time frame lol

sorry for soo many q's, i would ask on another forum, but im only joined with pegym.com, im loyal

[scientificapproach]

There is information out there claiming DHT to be quite a dangerous hormone due its possible effects on the prostate gland and hair follicles. I personally want to know abit more about DHT and the effects and side effects. The text itself claims the prostate and hair follicles need to be "detoxified" with the use of the supplements and natural remedies mentioned, which in someway suggests that protection is important.

Im still unsure if we are actually able to raise DHT levels?... With supplements and foods, or if in someway long erections with light stroking raises levels?
Or does the erection merely mean the DLT rich blood is exposed to the receptors for longer?

And these "protective" remedies (Green tea, tomatos, nuts green veg etc)...how do they protect or detoxify the prostate and hair rooting cells? Do they simply block DHT receptors on the organs/cells to prevent DHT binding with them? And if so, why on earth wouldnt they bind with the DHT receptors in the penis? And prevent whatever we WANT to happen...whatever this is?!!

Im still a little unsure about the mechanisms here, and also a little worried by the bad press DHT seems to get in a wide range of articles. What worries me most is its possible damaging even cancer causing effects on the prostate.

[kingpole]

"also would ballooning/edging specificly for dht production be more potent for a 18yo (myself) becos ive read dht levels drop after puberty?"

I don't know about applying DHT to your penis without the consent of a doctor. Edging, ballooning, and PE exercise liekly work due to stimulating DHT that your own body produces.

A questionn i have?.......Do bald men have bigger dicks?

[scientificapproach]

Interesting questions. And also, do men with fewer androgenic features caused by DHT have smaller penis's?

I think the prostate and hair loss issue may be much more complex than simply increased DHT. After a little research estrogen may well play a role in problems in these areas along with SHGB protiens.

What I am still confused about is this: According to the text; We want to soak the CC chambers in DHT rich blood, but protect the prostate and hair rooting cells. We protect the prostate and HRCs by taking the products recomended. HOW DO THESE PRODUCTS PROTECT THE PROSTATE AND HRC's FROM DHT BUT ALLOW DHT TO EFFECT THE PENIS'S DHT RECEPTORS??? I am really puzzled by this issue?!!!!

[scientificapproach]

KP in your very first post I am a little unsure of what you mean in your first sentence? Is there a chemical analysis of foods in the text?

And what exactly is it you had found out about bilberry extract? I can't seem to find a reference to it in the text as of yet? I have been trying to research its properties, so far I have that bilberries: Are powerful anti oxidants and anti inflammatories, and antiseptic, good for eye disorders, good for varicose veins, good for gastrointestinal disorders, can reduce blood sugar due to chromium. Which properties make it good for PE?

[kingpole]

Originally Posted by scientificapproach

KP in your very first post I am a little unsure of what you mean in your first sentence? Is there a chemical analysis of foods in the text?

And what exactly is it you had found out about bilberry extract? I can't seem to find a reference to it in the text as of yet? I have been trying to research its properties, so far I have that bilberries: Are powerful anti oxidants and anti inflammatories, and antiseptic, good for eye disorders, good for varicose veins, good for gastrointestinal disorders, can reduce blood sugar due to chromium. Which properties make it good for PE?

i should of said hormones instead of chemicals.

DHEA a pro hormone is a good place to start young guys like you can take about 25mg per day. Older guys like me around 50-100mg per day.m The older you get the more you need. Chromium from the billberry makes the DHEA work more efficiently. I do believe i have a DHEA thread on here. Now older men and women are deficient in DHEA reason for lower sex drive. Diabetics and the obesed need more as well.

Billberry dialates small arteries and arterioles much the same way as Ginkgo does. A lot of poor erections are due to oxidants, oxidants are a cause of ED. Zinc,Saw Palmetto and green tea oxidise DHT. You need anti-oxidants to oxidise DHT so it works properly and does not cause yoiu to lose so much hair. Some hair loss is normal as you get older, expect some hair loss naturally. God this paragraph is so good i think i will give myself a rep point!