[pe_ZEN]

Thanks Lazy8! I too think it is important information, because you watch some of those video's and it looks like the dude is gonna rip his Johnson off!!

By pulling hard for short times, your penis develops stronger ligament strength rather than elasticity. Think of the body builders who lift really heavy weight and are BUFF but have no flexibility and walk around like Quasimodo . In contrast, think of yoga masters who stay in a light stretch for minutes or longer, and they are relaxed and extremely flexible!

The only way to elasticity is staying longer in the stretch. I feel my penis "give" into the stretch when I know I'm doing it right. I feel this in an even more pronounced way when I do a good warmup. usually I will incorporate the "trigger pull" technique about 30s into the stretch with my other hand - then hold for another 30s. My grip is getting strong !

[Big Al]

What a great post

Your yoga analogy is right on the money. I've always likened PE to be more like a gymnast's workout than a bodybuilder's.

I think that a combination of methods are necessary to achieve your full enlargement potential. Short, intense stretches do target the ligaments in ways that light tension usually cannot duplicate; and long duration/light tension sessions will keep those tissues in a stretched state.

One thing though- some men just seem to respond to light intensity training better than short, brief sessions, so individual experiences will vary.

[pe_ZEN]

yes ultimately you are right about variety, to keep the lil' man guessing. The most difficult thing to stretch is that stubborn old tunica. I do believe that some other types of exercizes lead to increased length and girth, such as clamping or Uli Squeezes, being that they are also targeting the tunica.

[maelsukr]

Originally Posted by pe_ZEN

Thanks Lazy8! I too think it is important information, because you watch some of those video's and it looks like the dude is gonna rip his Johnson off!!

By pulling hard for short times, your penis develops stronger ligament strength rather than elasticity. Think of the body builders who lift really heavy weight and are BUFF but have no flexibility and walk around like Quasimodo . In contrast, think of yoga masters who stay in a light stretch for minutes or longer, and they are relaxed and extremely flexible!

The only way to elasticity is staying longer in the stretch. I feel my penis "give" into the stretch when I know I'm doing it right. I feel this in an even more pronounced way when I do a good warmup. usually I will incorporate the "trigger pull" technique about 30s into the stretch with my other hand - then hold for another 30s. My grip is getting strong !

peZEN,This is a good post. When I started, I was tugging way to hard and lost my morning wood. Took a break till I was better. Saw a post about less is better,and heating up more,to reach plasticity. Saw your note about inner stretching.
And WOW, you are correct .I can feel when the tissues soften,and I continue with light tension for about 30-40 sec.
Thanks for this !!!

[pe_ZEN]

I know mael - I haven't seen anybody else report this phenomena of "give", or tissue softening as you put it. I think there is something very beneficial about it, only time will tell! Keep informing about your progress!

[Hairtrigger]

I have always preached the less is more approach when it comes to stretching and Jelqs but it is truly the opposite when it comes to warmups. The more heat you can place and retain in your unit the better the workout will be. Heat equals out the factors when dealing with tissues that require different tactics to produce gains. The soft tissues require a great deal of force with short duration while the ligaments need lower force but greater duration to retain gains without being stregthened. Heat along with the proper amount of force and long duration will produce gains. This is one reason why I'm not a fan of the all day stretchers, they are missing a key ingredient.

Piss pulls are ok as long as you don't get carried away into a full blown tug of war, be kind to your unit and it will reward you. JAI stretches and Tunica Tugs are a great way to target different areas as your unit is growing as well. I have read where some people have gained with pretty much nothing but JAI stretches.

[rbi99]

Originally Posted by pe_ZEN

“When stretched, the connective tissue appears to be viscoelastic in nature. When a force is applied against the tissue and then removed, the tissue behaves as if it has both plastic and elastic properties. The elastic response is shown by recovery of the tissue to its original shortened position, while the plastic response is characterized by permanent elongation. Optimal plastic deformation of the tissue results with applications of long periods of low force stretch. The tissue slowly remodels because a biochemical response, triggered by constant force, results in a loosening and shifting of the fibers' connecting points within the tissue. By contrast, elongation of shortened connective tissue, through short periods of forceful stretching, relies upon attempt to mechanically break or tear the connecting points. Typically, with short periods of high force stretching, the result is a higher proportion of elastic response, less remodeling, and greater trauma and weakening of the tissue.”

Same reference.

But what if you use strong force for a long time? And what is "long time" compared to "short time"? And what is "low force" compared to "forceful stretching"? If everyone's routine for stretching consisted of barely tugging on their unit for 10 seconds at a time, I doubt much would be accomplished. I know when I am stretching it isn't like my feet are braced against the wall, sweat pouring down my forehead, as I am grinding my teeth as I pull. And the come-along I ordered from Sears hasn't arrived yet!!!

Hairtrigger, I don't use any devices either, but if you look at the site where this info is coming from, they are selling devices that gently stretch ligaments and stuff that have been traumatized. So all day stretchers might be just the thing - for some guys.

[pe_ZEN]

Originally Posted by rbi99

But what if you use strong force for a long time? And what is "long time" compared to "short time"? And what is "low force" compared to "forceful stretching"? If everyone's routine for stretching consisted of barely tugging on their unit for 10 seconds at a time, I doubt much would be accomplished. I know when I am stretching it isn't like my feet are braced against the wall, sweat pouring down my forehead, as I am grinding my teeth as I pull. And the come-along I ordered from Sears hasn't arrived yet!!!

Hairtrigger, I don't use any devices either, but if you look at the site where this info is coming from, they are selling devices that gently stretch ligaments and stuff that have been traumatized. So all day stretchers might be just the thing - for some guys.

rbi...I don't think that it is a good idea to be stretching by pulling hard - do your research - you may actually be hindering gains! When you pull hard you are training the penis to develop more rigid elasticity, which means less long term gains. Sure your penis will be strong but inwardly it will be resisting your pulls. The point is to 'coax' your penis into elasticity by gentle long term stretching.

[rbi99]

Zen, define what you mean by pulling hard, and where do you draw the line between which porridge is too hot, too cold and just right? You didn't answer any of my other questions regarding what is a long time vs. short. You present a piece of info that is potentially very important (even if the data is 22 years old), but it only opens up more questions.

[bboy]

Does that mean that hanging with weight is bad? I hang 10lbs for 20minx3times..