[Pegasus]

Pe is a developing practise, we are the ones developing the knowledge base. Welcome to the cuting edge rbi ,where we shine a light into the dark, so that the next generation know the way forward and can laugh at our wanderings in the dark.

[rbi99]

As long as I have a big, fat pecker to hold onto while I am wandering - everything will be good!!!

[pe_ZEN]

Originally Posted by rbi99

Zen, define what you mean by pulling hard, and where do you draw the line between which porridge is too hot, too cold and just right? You didn't answer any of my other questions regarding what is a long time vs. short. You present a piece of info that is potentially very important (even if the data is 22 years old), but it only opens up more questions.

Hey rbi, Sorry I didn't address you other questions...and human ligaments haven't changed much in the last 22 years, .

hard pull vs. gentle: Hard is if you are sweating and fatiguing your arms. Gentle is when you can easily hold the stretch for long periods of time (but don't exceed 20min in any single stretch - I can last 90sec or until my grip fails). Hard is when your glans gets purple and cold to the touch. Gentle is when your head swells but does not feel like a corpse's penis after stretching.

long time vs. short: short and long pulls are both beneficial when used side by side. Jai stretches are great because they are convenient, short, and effective (3-5sec). Long duration stretching is in my opinion NECESSARY to achieve maximum length growth although some will disagree (30s-20min). Just look at how much length success Bib had hanging for 3x20min sets @ 15lbs. You should incorporate short and long stretches to keep your penis guessing. Vary the type of stretch as much as possible.

The bottom line is you have to get to know your penis better, how much 'feels' like too much. Try to approach that point but not surpass it. And weight hanging is just fine, as long as you are smart about it - doing less than 15lbs., and breaking up each set @ 20min MAX...I am still considering hanging. We will see after my 10 week Bathmate cementing trial...

It sounds like you are stretching ok, just ease up a bit and incorporate some long duration stretching

[rbi99]

Thanks for the info Zen. You are bringing some new insight to PE. However, I have to ask, how the hell do you know what a corpse's penis feels like????!!!!!

[Rasputine]

Originally Posted by pe_ZEN

Hey rbi, Sorry I didn't address you other questions...and human ligaments haven't changed much in the last 22 years, .

hard pull vs. gentle: Hard is if you are sweating and fatiguing your arms. Gentle is when you can easily hold the stretch for long periods of time (but don't exceed 20min in any single stretch - I can last 90sec or until my grip fails). Hard is when your glans gets purple and cold to the touch. Gentle is when your head swells but does not feel like a corpse's penis after stretching.

long time vs. short: short and long pulls are both beneficial when used side by side. Jai stretches are great because they are convenient, short, and effective (3-5sec). Long duration stretching is in my opinion NECESSARY to achieve maximum length growth although some will disagree (30s-20min). Just look at how much length success Bib had hanging for 3x20min sets @ 15lbs. You should incorporate short and long stretches to keep your penis guessing. Vary the type of stretch as much as possible.

The bottom line is you have to get to know your penis better, how much 'feels' like too much. Try to approach that point but not surpass it. And weight hanging is just fine, as long as you are smart about it - doing less than 15lbs., and breaking up each set @ 20min MAX...I am still considering hanging. We will see after my 10 week Bathmate cementing trial...

It sounds like you are stretching ok, just ease up a bit and incorporate some long duration stretching

I have to disagree on the time of Jia streches-They are held for 2 seconds then relax 2 seconds repeat

[pe_ZEN]

Originally Posted by rbi99

Thanks for the info Zen. You are bringing some new insight to PE. However, I have to ask, how the hell do you know what a corpse's penis feels like????!!!!!

Well I have overworked now and then and the analogy seemed to work. LOL

and I consider myself experienced at PE (5 years) so I know what MY penis can take

[Squid]

Most of this all makes a lot of sense. I like to hang for 20 to 30 with two to three pounds. It is a decent but comfortable pull and made some gain years ago following a similar routine. Though heat is a new addition for me.

[pe_ZEN]

Originally Posted by Squid

Most of this all makes a lot of sense. I like to hang for 20 to 30 with two to three pounds. It is a decent but comfortable pull and made some gain years ago following a similar routine. Though heat is a new addition for me.

Yes Squid! I recently began using heat in my manual stretching routine...WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I am a total believer. I hotwrap as I am in the stretch and hold as long as my thumbs can take. Awesome addition to anybody's stretching routine!

[Lazy 8]

Originally Posted by bboy

Does that mean that hanging with weight is bad? I hang 10lbs for 20minx3times..

How long have you been doing it and what changes, if any, have you seen?

[Lazy 8]

Originally Posted by Big Al

What a great post

Your yoga analogy is right on the money. I've always likened PE to be more like a gymnast's workout than a bodybuilder's.

I think that a combination of methods are necessary to achieve your full enlargement potential. Short, intense stretches do target the ligaments in ways that light tension usually cannot duplicate; and long duration/light tension sessions will keep those tissues in a stretched state.

One thing though- some men just seem to respond to light intensity training better than short, brief sessions, so individual experiences will vary.

Big Al, what's your recommendation on short, intense stretches? I think I may have hosed myself by doing 60 second intense stretches for the last 6 months during which I've gained about a quarter of an inch :-(. Does the fact that I've done intense stretching mean my ligs have gotten really strong and are going to resist lengthening even more?