[pe2damax]

I'm writing this because I think it deserves it's own thread. I'm considering ordering some, but I was hoping to hear from some people who have used it about there experiences with it. Any research someone has done or found would be useful.

So far, my basic understanding is that it can help with growth significantly when done with a good routine. However, one of the side effects is hair loss. According to the book Kingpole found, grapes, nuts, tomatoes, dark colored fruit and vegetables, nettles, and saw palmetto are all good things to take/eat to counter this.

Has anyone found another place/a cheaper place than allsaintsclinic.org to buy it?

Basically, I'm trying to create a thread to consolidate information on this product because it seems like it could be the real deal. I'm going to be doing some research of my own, so I will make sure to post it on this thread when I find some more information.

[shane_syndrome]

hair loss is genetic , even guys on steroids dont lose there hair unless its in there genes

I dont think there are many people that have used it long term , i might try to order it but im in Canada and we have the second most strict customs in the world

[pe2damax]

I would hypothesize that it is your genetics that cause you to have higher DHT levels than the average person. Having the higher DHT levels is what causes your hair loss. That is why Rogaine and similar products are DHT blockers.

[hammer10inch]

Originally Posted by pe2damax

I'm writing this because I think it deserves it's own thread. I'm considering ordering some, but I was hoping to hear from some people who have used it about there experiences with it. Any research someone has done or found would be useful.

So far, my basic understanding is that it can help with growth significantly when done with a good routine. However, one of the side effects is hair loss. According to the book Kingpole found, grapes, nuts, tomatoes, dark colored fruit and vegetables, nettles, and saw palmetto are all good things to take/eat to counter this.

Has anyone found another place/a cheaper place than allsaintsclinic.org to buy it?

Basically, I'm trying to create a thread to consolidate information on this product because it seems like it could be the real deal. I'm going to be doing some research of my own, so I will make sure to post it on this thread when I find some more information.

I believe the andractim cream does not affect hair loss unless used topically on your head.. The cream does not get into the blood like an injection. So when you apply it to your unit, try and resist stratching that itch on your head until you wash your hands well...

[phallic1]

I would'nt worry about the hairloss issue and the dht correlation. IMO there are other factors which are of greater concern if you are suffering from mpb.

I too, would like to try Andractim but I'm in the same boat as shane, I live in Canada. It's a gamble whether customs will search and seize it...and you can kiss your money goodbye. Fucking government and FDA, they sell alcohol and cigarettes which kill and destroy countless people and families but God forbid, a testosterone supplement. Im sure soon enough vitamin C (ascorbic acid) will be on the controlled list in Canada...might as will ban oranges too.

[pe2damax]

Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its ef...[J Urol. 1993] - PubMed Result

here is an interesting study, though I can only find the abstract

ScienceDirect - Baillière's Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism : Dihydrotestosterone: A rationale for its use as a non-aromatizable androgen replacement therapeutic agent

*you have to read the pdf. The link is on the page.

This is another interesting one. The main part that i took out of it was that the use of it will increase your DHT levels but decreases testosterone levels. Overall, your DHT+Testosterone levels will be higher. Anyone have any thoughts on how this should effect pe?

[Waylander]

I tried it prior to finding the gym. I used it as prescribed for one month(1 tube). I did have a big increase in sex drive. However I was exercising at the same time, so I give my routine credit for that aswell. I still have a tube left, which I plan on saving for later. The cost was just under $200 for two tubes, and a manditory test kit. I used rubber gloves when applying for safety reasons. I did gain some length and girth, but there again, was it the andractim or the exercising? If I had found this place earlier, I probably would not have even tried it. When I get to the point when I feel its time to give the other tube a try, I plan on a more scientific approach, and will post results. Like you, I'm interested in what others have experienced. Oh, I bought it at allsaints.

[pe2damax]

Do you know know much you gained? Because if it was higher than the normal gains for a month/(first month?) that would be very useful information.

[Waylander]

I gained 3/4" in length and 1/8" in girth . Higher than normal? I've seen guys on here gain more, and less than that, so I couldnt say. Each person is different. Before I start the second tube, I will get some advice from the vets here, on what might be the best ways to get accurate results(adjust my routine,etc) on experimenting. Honestly, I wouldnt buy it again without committing more time to PE first. I was a on again, off again guy,for a long time. I believe if you commit yourself to the routines outlined here, you will get results without the gel.

[pe2damax]

I'm sure I can get results w/out gel, in fact, I'm pretty sure I am getting results. I haven't measured yet though, I'm only measuring once every 4 weeks. I think this is better because if you measure 3-4 times a week you won't be seeing gains, but if you measure once a month you'll have gains that you can actually see. Kind of like how you don't notice someone growing if you see them every day, but if you haven't seen them for year you are always amazed by the change. Anyway, back on topic, I'm sure you can get results but it would be nice to get even MORE results.