Gym-rats gain faster than sedentary PE-ers?

[Big O]

Wow, you guys have never experienced lifting heavy at the gym and later that night going semi- or limp for having sex with your gf?

That used to happen when i used to lift...
now i stick to 20-30mins/day of cardio. if anything its helped my gains.

[Radiohead]

umm...Who says that weightlifting decreases T levels?

That's not true.

Weightlifting increases your T levels. The more T you have, the bigger your dick will get. As simple as that

My EQ is always better after a workout.

[lifeisgood]

umm...Who says that weightlifting decreases T levels?

That's not true.

Weightlifting increases your T levels. The more T you have, the bigger your dick will get. As simple as that

My EQ is always better after a workout.

Agreed.

and since this thread is based on bro-science I'll chip in my own 2 cents: the body is not going to ignore repairing tissue in your dick because it is busy rebuilding skeletal muscle. The main goal for all living things is to reproduce, so I think keeping the sexual organs up and running is the body's number one priority.

[Pegasus]

Actually Rub, I would think that what you are describing, happens early in the piece, whie the body is geting conditioned.

[Rubirosa]

If you're on this forum and you've read Kemmer's book, you most likely understand the concept of 'overtraining' as it relates to the penis.

So why is it so hard to understand that 'overtraining' can also apply to your body and that this could have an affect on PE?

All I'm saying is that when working out, it's possible to enter a 'red zone' where you are overtraining and thus inducing excessive cortisol expression. Anyone who doesn't understand that clearly hasn't lifted weights, or is talking out of their ass.

[NP97]

I would agree with that. But normal working out could help PE.
I mean... I work out then do PE within an hour. Upper body days my arms = jello. Not all that fun to PE after that.

[Big Al]

I think the discipline and record-keeping used for weight training carries over very well to PE.

There's an interesting point to Rubirosa's post that I want to focus on. I'm currently doing an article on advanced training techniques (for weight training) based on some of my experiences and from observations of other advanced trainees. I've noticed something interesting and not commonly mentioned among most of today's training literature: there is going to come a point where the stronger you get, the more rest you'll need to recuperate and overcompensate (grow).

If any of you into lifting remember some of Mike Mentzer's articles, he discusses this phenomenon at length. He had pointed out in his article that, while you can triple or even quadruple your strength levels above baseline, you'll only be able to increase your recovery ability by 50% or so. I think this method can be used to apply to other training scenarios (like advanced PE).

Once I achieved a fairly high level of size and strength, my gains slowed drastically for quite awhile. I attributed this diminishing return to "approaching my genetic limits". As time went by my business and family grew and I was occasionally forced to skip workouts (something that I rarely did before). You'll find that, as you get older and your responsibilities increase that you may not have the time or recovery ability to do everything that you were able to do as a kid

A curious thing started happening though- as I stretched out my workout schedule my size and strength started to take off in a way that hadn't happened since I was a teenager! Some of the nagging aches that I used to wake up with also started to dissipate. Whereas before I used to train each bodypart once every 5 days or so, I stretched that out to once every 7-10 days. Luckily, I kept detailed journals of my workouts/eating habits, and I found that the extra rest had to be the reason why I was noting these positive changes as there was no other variable to account for it. This was further bolstered by noting that when I did revert back to my previous schedule, my gains stopped and my post-workout soreness and pain became more intense.

In a nutshell, the more intensity you're able to generate, the more microdamage/stress you're going to incur. It would make sense for very advanced trainee to try training a little less frequently or to try "periodizing" their training (alternating heavy and light cycles/sessions) to maximize recovery.

I'll be posting a more detailed article on this subject within the next week or so for those of you that may be interested in this

[Wantmorebulge]

Testosterone response to exercise depends on the duration and intensity of the exercise. It elevates with shorter duration exercise, and drops past a certain point as cortisol rises preferentially.

I don't know about the higher your testosterone levels go, the bigger your dick gets. Testosterone does have some short term effects on vasodilation in the penis which will increase blood flow, but past puberty, high levels of testosterone or more specifically 5a Dihydrotestosterone, do not increase tissue growth.

There comes a point where overtraining will cause all sorts of problems for the body, including increased stress response and supressed growth of most tissues. A similar effect occurs when there is systemic infection, to which the body responds by slowing down growth where possible. Whether or not this affects PE, I don't know.

so I think keeping the sexual organs up and running is the body's number one priority.

This is not the case. Survival takes priority over sexual function. For example, when energy is restricted in females, ovulation/menstruation can stop.

[kingpole]

As a more sedentary PE-er, I'm curious. Do you find that you gain faster than you did when you used to go to the gym regularly?

I used to go the gym pretty regularly and found that it diminished my sexual prowess, ability, mojo (whatever you want to call it). I could feel it. It was very apparent.

For example, now that I go to the gym less frequently (not to say I'm a lazy schlomo, but. . .), I notice I have a higher sex drive and I can come more often without feeling tired.

I wonder how this translates to PE. My gut feeling is that limiting gym activities like cardio and weight-lifting while doing PE can maximize results.

What is your view (British accent)?

Sounds like you were overtrainng, loss of libido means cortisol is high and testosterone is low. When you workout to hard you fry out your nervouse systme making it harder to get a woody.

Perhaps keeping gym time down to 45 minutes to two days per week is best for you at this time. If you work all musclw groups in these two days then you will remain fit. And this may translate into better EQ.

[Wantmorebulge]

Eating before your workout and keeping well hydrated helps with the cortisol/testosterone ratio too.