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Old 01-21-2008, 06:37 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Interesting read. The tunica and SM are worked in stretching and jelqing and the ratio of your BPFSL and BPEL shows what you should spend more time working on, am I correct?

You should summarize this and put it in a simplified way to make it easier to read. It sounds more than plausible.
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slanker, at this point, this is just a hypothesis. We are evaluating some feed back from members to see if this theory is going to hold water.
But if it proves to be correct then;

The tunica is enlarged mainly by:
1.) stretching (whether longitudinally or laterally) - resulting in plastic deformation
2.) hyperplasic growth triggered by sustained stretch)

Smooth Muscle is enlarged by:
2.) hyperplasic growth - triggered by stretching, elevated blood pressures or volume (usually achieved by jelqing, clamping, pumping, etc.)

Your BPFSL indicates your maximum tunica length. Your BPEL gives you the maximum length your smooth muscle can expand the tunica. The theory is, if there is a large difference then you do not have enough smooth muscle volume to adequately fill the tunica. The result in this case, should be poor erection quality. The closer your BPFSL gets to your BPEL the better your erection quality should be. In this case you would want to target the smooth muscle for growth to maximize tunica expansion.

In the case that your BPFSL and BPEL are very close or equal, your erection quality should be very good. In this case you should focus on stretching the tunica and build smooth muscle together or focus solely on the tunica until your BPFSL to BPEL ratio increases. Meaning your tunica is being stretched. Then focus on building smooth muscle to "fill in the gap."

We hope if this shows promise to publish a better explanation.
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That is a very good simplified explanation. Thankyou.
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Old 01-22-2008, 02:36 PM   #104 (permalink)
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That is a very good simplified explanation. Thankyou.
Thank you, glad to clear things up.



More support for smooth muscle growth. Notice that smooth muscle cells can not only increase in size but also in numbers.

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Like skeletal and cardiac muscle, smooth muscle can grow by hypertrophy of its component fibers. However, unlike the other two types of muscle, smooth muscle fibers retain mitotic capacity and can therefore increase their numbers (hyperplasia). Moreover, new smooth muscle cells can arise from the pericytes.

http://anatomy.iupui.edu/courses/histo_D502/D502%20Back-up/Brokaw%2005/Muscle%20Tissue05.htm
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Good find and explanation, Iguana.
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Update:

Hey, this is interesting! remek, I need your input. I just finished a chart plotting the BPFSL to BPEL difference vs EQ. Believe it or not, the data may be looking good for us. Here's the issue; We really don't know at what point the difference in the BPFSL to BPEL ratio starts affecting the EQ. Meaning, how much larger can the tunica be stretched until the SM can no longer apply adequate pressure for a rigid erection? Assuming there is sufficient elastin in the SM it should be able to expand to a certain point and then the tunica "moves away" and the SM volume can't follow. This is the number we need to identify. The BPFSL to BPEL cut off point. Given that the elastic composition of each individual's smooth muscle could vary this number is unlikely to be the same for each person. But, I think we can get an "average" to use as a guide line. For simplicity sake we will call this number BPT-DIF(bone pressed tissue difference, very open to other suggestions) So if your BPFSL is 7.5" and your BPEL is 7.0", your BPT-DIF is 1/2"

We were using 1/4" cutoff in our first poll but I think that may be too low. Several guys with a 1/4" difference have very good EQ. I averaged all the numbers we have so far. The Avg BPT-DIF is 3/8". This number also seems to be where the EQ starts to be affected. So, I think this number can go either way. I believe a guy with a 3/8" BPT-DIF can have great EQ or poor EQ based on the individual elasticity of the smooth muscle. So, someone with a 3/8" BP-Diff regardless of EQ would still fit the theory.

So using 3/8" as a center point.

Here's what I have come up with from the data so far (if I am interpreting correctly):

Positive BP-DIF: 3/8" or less
Negitive BP-DIF: 3/8" or more

Positive EQ: 9-10
Negitive EQ: 8 or less

Participants - 27

Guys who fit the theory - 21
Guys who do not fit the theory - 6

So, at this point, if my logic and reasoning are correct, 77% of the participants fit the bill. There are a couple of odd entrys such as slanker with a BPEL of 6.2" but a BPFSL of 6.0" and an EQ of 7.5. And It would be logical that since EQ can be affected by many things that not everyone would fit. The anolmoties are the guys with 5/8" BPT-DIF and an EQ of 10.

I think at this point we still need more data the data we have needs to be studied further. I would like to have around 100 guys if possible. I hope I wasn't premature in drawing conclusions, but I think it looks promising at this point.

Let me know what you think.
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LOL, iguana, I think my BPFSL and BPEL was the other way round. Apologies.
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LOL, iguana, I think my BPFSL and BPEL was the other way round. Apologies.
Thanks for clearing that up. I was really starting to worry about you

You still don't fit the bill. With only .20" inches difference your EQ should be better. Can you provide some insight as to why and when your EQ started to suffer? Has it always been low or is this something new? Do you smoke? Can you think of anything that might be affecting it?

The more information you can provide the better.

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Iguana: You're the bearer of great news

When I did my last big edit on the theory last week or so, I was wondering about that .25" cut off point. I was thinking then that it may be too little.

75 percent isn't bad at all. Let's try to make this number even more accurate by dividing the 25 percent into 2 groups:
  1. The high EQ, big BP ratio difference - guys like Xeno.
  2. The fairly low/negative EQ, with a small BP ratio difference - guys like slanker.
What's the percentage of each? If most of it is group 2, then we might be able to blame some of these on other variables - such as overtraining, smoking, low testosterone, unhealthy lifestyle, etc.
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I'm going to take this thread and post it on all the other PE forums. Before I do that, is there anything we wish we would have added that we didn't, such as more emphasis on what an "8" is on a scale of 1 to 10, or the amount of expansion when clamping and pumping?
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