The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

[Iguana]

Originally Posted by remek

I quickly glanced over this, so tell me if I missed something. . . But from what I gather, an increase in blood flow actually increased cell devision of smooth muscle cells.

I imagine that this has many applications to PE. Here's one:

1. What does the Kegel do?!?! It increased blood flow/blood pressure to the penis. What does increased blood pressure do (or according to this study)? It increases smooth muscle cells. What does increased smooth muscle cells do? It increases 1) Hardness 2) Size (if the smooth muscle is the limiting factor). This could possible explain why Kegels increases both of these and why more men should Kegel - especially if they want hardness or if their smooth muscle is their limiting factor.

Interesting point. Do you know of anyone who has gained size solely from Kegels?

[remek]

No, but that's because I don't talk to anyone who only does Kegels (most guys who PE and measure are also doing jelqs, stretches, etc). I have talked to several men who report that they strongly believe Kegels helped them gain on the ruler, though.

[remek]

Quick note/more on this later: I wonder if the length before girth theory holds any ground, especially in conjunction with this theory. Tunica first. Smooth muscle second. This would hold ground if the SM was easier (or even slightly easier) to enlarge than the tunica.

[remek]

I was talking to someone about this theory, and he threw in an unexplainable experience that he thinks might relate:

So when I do fowfers I actually stretch the tunica, so therefor my erection becomes a bit weaker due to not enough suction from the smooth muscle. I had a flaccid gain of a 1/2" recently from doing fowfers for about 3 months, it came suddenly!

But I noticed erections were softer they were still as big but seem to take longer to fill. But as I progress over the course of the last two weeks the erections seem to be getting strong a gain. Could this result in an erect gain?

[Iguana]

Originally Posted by remek

No, but that's because I don't talk to anyone who only does Kegels (most guys who PE and measure are also doing jelqs, stretches, etc). I have talked to several men who report that they strongly believe Kegels helped them gain on the ruler, though.

They certainly can hurt. I just started back up with kegels recently after reading your benefits topic again.
I know my PC muscle has certainly become weaker over the last few years. Hopefully, these will help.

Originally Posted by remek

Quick note/more on this later: I wonder if the length before girth theory holds any ground, especially in conjunction with this theory. Tunica first. Smooth muscle second. This would hold ground if the SM was easier (or even slightly easier) to enlarge than the tunica.

Interestingly, Base on this assumption, I had always planned on reaching my length goal first and then working on girth. In fact, when compared to length, I have done very little girth work. If our theory holds true, the only problem I can see with trying to reach your length goal before girth would be weakened erections. Which is exactly what I was experiencing. This could happen if the tunica gets too far out ahead of the SM.

Originally Posted by remek

I was talking to someone about this theory, and he threw in an unexplainable experience that he thinks might relate:


Quote:
So when I do fowfers I actually stretch the tunica, so therefor my erection becomes a bit weaker due to not enough suction from the smooth muscle. I had a flaccid gain of a 1/2" recently from doing fowfers for about 3 months, it came suddenly!

But I noticed erections were softer they were still as big but seem to take longer to fill. But as I progress over the course of the last two weeks the erections seem to be getting strong a gain. Could this result in an erect gain?

That is an interesting experience. Especially the part about the flaccid gains coming quickly. This brings up several questions; Is he a newbie? Was he doing any exercises other than fowfers? Were his gains only flaccid? Did he have any girth gains? Did he happen to say what he was doing over the two week period where his EQ started improving?

I think experiences like are very helpful in gaining insight and gathering data. Might make a good thread. I don't know how you would solicit them though?

[remek]

Originally Posted by Iguana

Interestingly, Base on this assumption, I had always planned on reaching my length goal first and then working on girth. In fact, when compared to length, I have done very little girth work. If our theory holds true, the only problem I can see with trying to reach your length goal before girth would be weakened erections. Which is exactly what I was experiencing. This could happen if the tunica gets too far out ahead of the SM.

Yea, I'm curious about the EQ for the many men who've only focused on length for a long period of time and gained it. It would be interesting to see if this also correlates with our theory.

Originally Posted by Iguana

That is an interesting experience. Especially the part about the flaccid gains coming quickly. This brings up several questions; Is he a newbie? Was he doing any exercises other than fowfers? Were his gains only flaccid? Did he have any girth gains? Did he happen to say what he was doing over the two week period where his EQ started improving?

He wasn't a newbie. I'm not sure about the other questions, but I think his gains were only in the flaccid state.

Originally Posted by Iguana

I think experiences like are very helpful in gaining insight and gathering data. Might make a good thread. I don't know how you would solicit them though?

I think once we release the theory there will be plenty of useful data coming in

[dwight]

This is the first time I've seen this thread but I've been intuitively thinking the same thing about loss of EQ through lengthening of the tunica without any increase of vein size (which is naturally done through girth work) to increase blood flow to it. I'm focusing on length right now before I start on my girth and my erections have been of the same quality on average which I think is from doing kegel work. However, I do believe that if you keep lengthening the tunica without increasing the size of of the veins or power of the blood flow it naturally will take longer for you to get erect and also might lead to loss of EQ. I think it might be worth looking into if our bodies naturally produce more blood and blood cells to compensate for the extra flesh that we're creating. If it does then EQ should remain constant if gains are slow, or if tunica length gains are quick and a loss of EQ occurs then once the body produces the extra blood needed for the body to function properly again the EQ should return back to normal. What do you guys think?

[stillwantmore]

Originally Posted by dwight

This is the first time I've seen this thread but I've been intuitively thinking the same thing about loss of EQ through lengthening of the tunica without any increase of vein size (which is naturally done through girth work) to increase blood flow to it. I'm focusing on length right now before I start on my girth and my erections have been of the same quality on average which I think is from doing kegel work. However, I do believe that if you keep lengthening the tunica without increasing the size of of the veins or power of the blood flow it naturally will take longer for you to get erect and also might lead to loss of EQ. I think it might be worth looking into if our bodies naturally produce more blood and blood cells to compensate for the extra flesh that we're creating. If it does then EQ should remain constant if gains are slow, or if tunica length gains are quick and a loss of EQ occurs then once the body produces the extra blood needed for the body to function properly again the EQ should return back to normal. What do you guys think?

Meh, I've gained over 2" in length with weight hanging in the past, and never had a problem with erection quality.

[smoothe]

I saw the info on cementing your gains. I can only do pe two times a week one week, and twice the next because of my crazy work schedule. I was wonder how long I can do pe until I need to cement my gains.

[remek]

SWM: I'd like to dissect you a little bit (figuratively, not literally), as you may offer some more insight into the theory.

When you did your hanging, were you exclusively focusing on length, or was that when you were clamping too?