[Saint]

Originally Posted by john69

LOL, you have NO IDEA what bodybuilders use and do not use.

Of course Einstein, you can always tell us why NOBODY uses systemic infusions of IGF-1 anymore? game over, thanks for playing.

Yeah, because you have any clue what Stallone would have been taking? er no! we have already established you know sod all about IGF use in pro bodybuilding, yet here you are trying to convince us you have a clue about what Hollywood actors are using? Jesus, do you actually read your posts before pressing 'submit'?

GH's ability to burn fat and thus serve as a potent addidtion to nutrient partitioning (know what that is? idiot) and allow the user to then make 'larger' [read: more efficient] muscle gains whilst using steroids explains in one regard why GH is useless by itself for building muscle - as documented by gurus from Duchaine to Mooney - of course this would have escaped you, but again, thanks for playing.

Pathetic strawman that reveals you for the know nothing moron you are; is that really all you have?

Since you feel the need to encourage the members here to spend thousands on novel peptides that wont do what they what, we can get into this if you want.

As said, post a link to a study that shows anabolism in human striated muscle tissue as a result of GH administration, you wont, because you cant, if you had read the link I provided, you would have seen that the experts concur:

"HIV Study Shows No Muscle Growth From Serostim Growth Hormone"

Medibolics

For those interested, here is a diagram that conveys just why administration of exogenous GH wont work; simply put, it involves a negative feedback loop centered around a GH inhibiting compound called somatostatin:



Hey Saint, I take it you have heard of Michael Mooney and Dan Duchaine, have you not? I mean, you have just told us you 'live it' LOL dear oh dear.

LETS SUM UP BY ASKING YOU THIS:

Are you stating that Beta-3 trials in rats produce results that can be obtained in humans? I want you to answer this because if you say 'yes' you will have to cite the non existant trial, and if you say 'no' you will demolish your own position', but hey, lets hold off from calling you a moron.... oh and, I presume you know what beta-3 means?

Oh and, I would like to ask the mods here to WARN any members here just in csse you are either a source or a narc trying to tempt PE's into parting with hundreds of dollars for some fake IGF.

Here I am, the pathetic strawman, that knows nothing about exercise and supplements. oh yeah, I dont know anything about what bodybuilders use either. even though I dont claim to be a bodybuilder. or a pro like you. a pro at what I'm still trying to figure out. definatly a pro at posting. 40 posts in your first month, yet no pics or proof that you even know what your talking about.

[Saint]

John69
I tried to post more pics of myself and my trophies, but it exceeded the limit on this forum. if you consider 6'1" , 236lbs, 11-13% body fat a strawman. that's me. I better let you get back to your books. btw? is that what you hang from your knob? books? I might try that. Later my friend.

[john69]

I knew you'd fail abysmally to provide any cite whatsoever, cheers for the vindication.

BTW, 236lbs at 11-13% on drugs? ten a penny!!!

wow mate, Doz will be shitting himself.

[JonPop]

ALL RIGHT! That's enough you two. What started out as an informative thread has turned into a flaming battle between you both. You WILL stop this bickering and line of posting now or you will both be subject to a one month ban on posting. Got IT?
Only warning. JP

[john69]

lol, got it, soz

[Saint]

Shoot?, I was starting to have some good laughs. no problem JP.

[shane_syndrome]

Has anyone else tried this ... I haven't heard anything about chemical PE in a while

[Pegasus]

It seems popular in bodybuilding circles; they are experienced in drug use. Personaly I would stay away from it, but then I have been doing weights for years without drugs, so perhaps I am bloodyminded.

[theshadow]

I have access to igf-1 lr3 and prostaglandins directly from manufacturer, I am contemplating starting a log where Iguana left off. If you guys have any input or suggestions, let me know. If the mods are willing, I will record it here.

I am also an experienced nutritionist who works with competitors (bodybuilders) with diet chemical enhancement, and training, so if any of you guys have any questions about compounds, synergistic mechanisms, etc. let me know.

[phallic1]

theshadow, thank's for the help offers. Hope you stick around the forums.