Premature ejaculation coaches corner.

[Pegasus]

As most of you know, my feild for some time, has been physical training to overcome premature ejaculation , the pelvic floor, kegels /rk , edging,mmo and the like.
At the moment we are fortunate to have a number of guys posting in these areas on this site . Many newcomers are confused by the variety of voices however. I had thought this thread could help provide clarity, to what some may percieve as chaos and function as a masterclass .
It seems to be that the basic direction is similar for most coaches and the differences are mostly of emphasis. For instance in regard to the pelvic floor I believe in trying to balance between front and back ,kegel and reverse kegel It appears that most other coaches are attempting the same thing but have different ways to go about it . Imac believes in rapidly attaining ability to isolate reverse kegel into front and back rk so as to attack what he believes is the weakest point ,front reverse kegel . JM believes in 100% reverse kegel (rk) routines to get a quick response . Both seem to regard my step by step methods as staid. Minuteman seeks depth and detail to such an extent he can bewilder. Spanky experiments with supplements that others look askance at. Despite my background in mmo, it was Pe zen whose writing on edging method echo through the forum, though he is long gone. Pirate has become an admin and sits on Mt Olympus .
So guys the subject is physical pre e training, the invite is to all who consider thy teach on the subjest. Points of view on kegel/reverse kegel training progression out of sex , edging and what if any progression to use with it for this purpose and other relevant subjects are welcomed.

[Pegasus]

I hope this thread can be used alongside spankys thread here. What we know so far about PE, its causes and its treatment

[JamesMonroe]

I am glad we have many different opinions. That's how we all learn newer and newer things and through trial and error we can see what works best for us as individuals AND we can help others by giving reasons why to do or not to do certain things.
Actually Pegasus, I now believe in a 100% reverse kegel routine ONLY at the beginning for people that have severe cases of prem ejac to reset/rewire the system and undo the results/consequences of doing regular kegels all the time without reverse kegels. After my reverse kegels got strong and had great control I noticed I needed to then reintroduce reguar kegels to have the balance that you always recommend because I knew I could use a bit better EQ. I didn't start a regular kegel routine but since I started doing penis enlarging exercises, regular kegels were already in that proccess/training so that's how I stared doing them a bit more. Because of that, i have had amazing erections everytime I have sex now with no problems and no loss of EQ at all as opposed to before, which is a great new change for me. Thanx again Pegasus and everybody else and good luck to everyone new and old.

[Pegasus]

Ok so the 100% reverse kegel start, is to get quick response and you then move to a more balanced rotine, so as to avoid eq issues and the like?

[JamesMonroe]

I believe most of us grow up throughout our lives doing regular kegels all the time without really knowing. We do it when we lift heavy weights at the gym, urinate, get worried about something, play sports and especially when we masturbate and ejaculate. We do this for many years, building up that strength, until we find the beauty of revesre kegels to balance things out. Thats why I believe in erasing/resetting/rewireing the system/body/mind by removing regular kegels completely for a long while and reprogramming it with reverse kegels only. The body will then be ready and focused on the new task at hand without the interfearance and back-tracking that regular kegels would cause. We can always go back to regular kegels later when we are ready. It feels to me that regular kegels are connected to the ejaculation proccess with spasms and precum and reverse kegels initiate the opposite. As soon as I did reverse kegels for a while without regular kegels, my huge precum problem pretty much disappeared and my crazy involuntary spasms went away too. Add this with edging/ballooning/no porn/using good lube/constant real sex and the later reintroduction of regular kegels for better EQ....
You got the ingredients for a new man.

[JamesMonroe]

Ok so the 100% reverse kegel start, is to get quick response and you then move to a more balanced rotine, so as to avoid eq issues and the like?

Yes Pegasus, thanx to your persistence in the back of my mind. Haha!

[JamesMonroe]

I remember going as far as not even doing regular kegels at all during urination, which actaully helps greatly in getting the last few drops out. I had to stand there forever to let them dribble out naturally. Glad those days are over. Hahaha!!!

[Pegasus]

I believe most of us grow up throughout our lives doing regular kegels all the time without really knowing. We do it when we lift heavy weights at the gym, urinate, get worried about something, play sports and especially when we masturbate and ejaculate. We do this for many years, building up that strength, until we find the beauty of revesre kegels to balance things out. Thats why I believe in erasing/resetting/rewireing the system/body/mind by removing regular kegels completely for a long while and reprogramming it with reverse kegels only. The body will then be ready and focused on the new task at hand without the interfearance and back-tracking that regular kegels would cause. We can always go back to regular kegels later when we are ready. It feels to me that regular kegels are connected to the ejaculation proccess with spasms and precum and reverse kegels initiate the opposite. As soon as I did reverse kegels for a while without regular kegels, my huge precum problem pretty much disappeared and my crazy involuntary spasms went away too. Add this with edging/ballooning/no porn/using good lube/constant real sex and the later reintroduction of regular kegels for better EQ....
You got the ingredients for a new man.

My experience was different but then I never had pre e. I had delayed ejaculation and suspect I was" stronger' in reverse kegel. Regular kegels are connected to the ejaculation process and excess strength ie an imbalance towards kegels can cause pre e as described in my implicatios thread . Here is a quote from Spankys masterthread above.
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Establishing Pelvic Floor Muscle balance
PE and DE the physical cure ? - this is Pegasus' fundamental insight into pelvic floor imbalance. Read this, along with the implications thread linked below. These two threads describe, to my mind, the fundamental root physical cause for ejaculatory dysfunction and conceptually gave me more hope for actually treating my long term premature ejaculation condition than anything I had read previously.

Implications - This is the daddy. Read the thread above for a simpler heads up on what Pegasus is talking about, and once you get that, come here and learn some more.
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[JamesMonroe]

My initial problem and what actually caused my prem ejac, as most of you know, was not having a gf for 1 full year, masturbating to porn everyday without lube while sitting on a hard chair(puts pressure on the prostate) and doing regular kegels the whole time during masturbation to that porn. I fixed myself by doing the exact opposite: Edged laying flat in my bed, ballooning the sensitive spots, watched porn without touching myself for 3 months then stopped watching it completely, used great lube, stopped regular kegels, got really good at reverse kegles and started having constant sex with my gf, slowly getting used to the most intense sexual positions.
I went from 1 minute to sometimes over an hour.

[Pegasus]

I never had an issue with porn personally, but it keeps coming up as something to avoid . As i remember you have a number of thoughts on this?
Of course given my background in mmo I have a number of thoughts on edging however I have no thoughts pro or con on the use of lube .
Can you describe what you feel the value of lube is?