[ReetB]

Hmm interesting one this. Following my increase in time I take to stretch, I just had to whip out the ruler and see how things were looking.

6.2 inches BPEL!

Now I just looked back to my first post on my progress log and I noted that I was at 5.8 inches before? Well before I get too excited, I'll just wait and see how things develop over the next few months. There is part of me that wonders if I've not measured correctly in my initial measurements. This is because I don't think I was doing a BPEL but rather a NBPEL. To be honest, I can't be sure.

Anyway, just wanted to note it in my log. If I find in a few months time I'm up to 6.4 or 6.5 inches, then I know that I've started to gain!

Fingers crossed

[Scipio]

Hey man, if you did your first measurement BPEL (let's hope so), you now have 1 cm gain (forgive me for speaking in cm, but I find it much more encouraging), and I would say that's a very nice newbie gain.

Don't go around thinking like "nah...I measured wrong, it can't be...."and so on. Do an NBPEL measure and see what your EL is now, maybe this can give you some clues. I know how annoying it can be going around thinking if those first measurements was done right.

Anyway, I found it very hard to believe in my own gains as they slowly started to come along, but now I can actually see the difference with my own eyes. I simply know my cock was not this long before, and I can sitt around marveling in this fact for hours, and still doubt if this is for real.

[PESG]

The key to future gaining is believing in your current ones! You gained ReetB - Believe it!

[ReetB]

OK, I've gained Yippee!! Thanks to everyone for their help

Right, following my other thread in the beginners section, I'm going to do this routine going forward.

- 15 Minutes warm-up with a rice sock.
- 1 Set of 5-Way LOT stretches - 60 second stretches - LENGTH
- 10 Circle stretches both left and right (20 total) - LENGTH
- 10 Helicopter shakes - Quick way to just to get blood back in my penis before I start jelqing
- 80 Wet Jelqs (OK grip - 5 second strokes)
- 20 V-Jelqs (5 second strokes) - GIRTH
- 5-10 minutes worth of edging
- 2 Minutes for Cool-down

I've dropped my JAI Stretches as these will be done when I go to the bathroom each time on workout days only. I've also dropped flaccid bends for the moment. I think I need to focus on the core stretches and jelqs to start with and then introduce more advanced exercises later on.

As I've said previously, my PI's are great and I'm feeling very good about things.

I'm also going to be progressive now and slightly increase my reps on jelqing and my time on holding stretches. Not by a lot, but just enough to keep my body guessing.

So the above routine will stay and I'll increase my jelqs by 10 a week and my stretch holds for 10 seconds a week. I'll do this until my body shows me the signs of negative PI's or just doesn't feel right. Then I'll stick with the previous routine until I can break through this barrier.

This seems like the most sensible approach

I'll let you know how it goes

[Banana]

That routine is very similar to the one I'm doing. Although on my routine instead of doing 1 set of 60 second stretches I do 2 sets of 30 second stretches? Why did you decide to increase the time instead of the reps? I might try that.

What's the frequency of this routine? 2 days on 1 day off?

[ReetB]

Hi Banana

Basically I chose to increase the stretch time as I've been getting really good PI's recently and morning wood every single day. I just felt as if I wasn't pushing myself enough and that my dick could take a bit more.

Following a recent post in the beginners section, a few people suggested that I "up" my stretch time and increase my jelq number on a weekly basis until I felt as if I was pushing at the limit of what I could handle.

So I've started doing these longer stretches and I have to say that the feel great. Firstly I'm getting a much better flaccid hang after my stretch whereas before it was a lot less.

Also when I first started PE, the ligs at the base of my dick felt tired after a few light stretches. However over the past few weeks I've not been feeling this and put it down to my dick becoming conditioned. This might be the case, but it's lazy of me not to keep raising the bar (sensibly of course) and keep myself on track. So by increasing my stretch time, I'm getting that "worked out feeling" in my ligs again. However, I'm still getting great PI's and great morning wood, so I think I've got the balance of a good workout combined with good PI's.

I can only speak personally, but I've always felt as if my dick was very healthy indeed. Before PE I used to masturbate almost every day, or at least edge every day (I didn't know it was called that then though lol). So I've always had good EQ and what I'd call a healthy dick. However since starting PE, my EQ has improved even more, I'm a lot harder now than I used to be and I can get myself to 100% pretty quickly. I've also got much more pronounced veins as well.

Because of this, I'm taking the view that my dick will need a bit more work on it to really get it to break down and respond positively to exercises. I think a lot of people make these newbie gains early on because their never really achieved a 100% erection level and the first signs of PE working is when you get these harder erections. Bottom line, if you measure yourself at 70-80% because that's all you can get, of course you're going to be bigger at 100%

Anyway, that's my take on it. Personally speaking I was already at the 100% levels before I started PE. All that's changed so far is that I can get harder quicker and stay harder for much longer. This might be why I've not gained very much so far.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble, but this is just me thinking out loud. I'm the one who knows my body the best and therefore am the best judge of what I can and can't do. A lot of guides I've read I believe are aimed at very unconditioned dicks. I'd class mine as 70% conditioned before starting PE and I firmly believe with pushing myself sensibly, I'm going to see good gains

Oh and I'm doing 5 days on 2 days off. Again this is a personal thing as I stealth PE and I have the house to myself for 4 out of the 5 days, so it seems sensible to PE then

[Banana]

You and I are very similar. I also edged (I also didn't know it was called that then lol) everyday and I feel like I have a very conditioned dick. I tried a light approach which didn't workout very good and right now I'm increasing the load of my routine to see if it produces any results. My routine as I said is very similar to yours and I'm going to keep doing it and when I feel necessary I'll increase the load again. I'm going to keep an eye on your log as I think it will be really helpful for me and hopefully I'll also be able to help you with anything you might need.

[ReetB]

Hi Banana,

Yeah it seems that we are similar

After checking my diary, I've actually been on what you call the "light routine" for about 6 weeks now. All that I've noticed so far is that my EQ is much better, my veins more pronounced and I'm getting morning wood every single day. I know PE is not a race, but my dick does feel as if it can take more. I mean on the light routine it wasn't sore, didn't feel tired and I really did think I could push it further. However I am being sensible about this and only raising the reps slightly.

Following the first few days of my new "raising the bar" routine, I have to say that I'm glad that I've got a couple of days off rest now. I did have morning wood this morning (again whoopie!! ) but it is feeling a little tired down there. I'm hoping this is the right balance, in that I'm showing positive PI's, but at the end of my 5 day work out, it's feeling tired. To me this proves that I'm working out close to my limits and not going over them. I think getting that balance right takes time but I do think that I'm very close to finding my optimum work out range at the moment.

One other thing, I'm experimenting with various supplements at the moment just to see if it helps me. This might look like a lot, but I'm going to cycle it around a bit. So we have....

In the morning before breakfast:

- 1 x Multi Vitamin A-Z tablet
- 1 x 15mg of Zinc
- 2 x 500mg of Maca (1000mg total)
- 1 x Vitamin B Complex
- 1 x Omega 3 1200mg tablet
- 1 x Standardised Ginko tablet (120mg)

Most of these supplements are just for a healthy living life style and I would take them even if I wasn't doing PE.

During the day I drink around 2-3 cups of green tea and have a healthy diet.

Before bed I'm taking around about 3000mg of L-Arginine on an empty stomach.

So far, I have to say that the only thing I wouldn't both with again is the Maca as it's done nothing for me. However I'll finish it up seeing as I've bought it.

Finally, I'm going to give some Tongkat Ali a go in a week or so just to see if the raise in testosterone levels assists me at all. What I've noticed is that when I started PE, I was pretty horny a lot of the time, however, since really getting stuck in, I treat it totally as exercise as you would at the gym and for some reason, my "horny levels" in general have dipped. I'm only 30, so not an old boy, but I think the Tongkat might give me a bit of a boost and potentially help with my PE growth. We'll see.

[PESG]

Just don't CROSS the line. If you can stay right in that "zone," you'll grow like a fig tree.

[ReetB]

Thanks PESG

I'm going to be sensible when increasing my reps as like you say, I need to keep it in "the zone". Problem is, I'm not sure where "my zone" is yet, but I'm sure I'll find it soon.

I'm going to carry on doing what I do and slowly increase my reps, listening to my body at all times. I need to be progressive but sensible and I think that might be the key for gaining.

Fingers crossed