Keido's Log

[Keido]

Hey there. I've decided to start up a progress log on this forum to track my gains and hopefully get input from other members on my routines and things.

Here's some background info on me:
I started PE a year ago (I think it was even May 14!). I started up with a Monday, Wed, Fri routine for 2 weeks (5 min warmup, 5 min stretching, 100 wet jelqs*, 10 min warmdown) and then moved on to a 5 day on / 2 day off routine. I was fairly steadily gaining for the next four months (I added in an extender after the second month, if I remember correctly) - about a 1/4" each month in length. I haven't gained in girth. The gains stopped coming after that and I decided to take a short break (4-6 weeks). It was pretty convenient since I stopped around December (holidays with family and all that). I started back up on January 7 restarting with this routine (Mon, Wed, Fri):
* Note: I've consistently done wet jelqs with an overhand OK grip, sitting down (leaning back a bit in bed) and pulling semi-down from my pubic bone. This seems to hit the sides of my penis more-so than the top and bottom.
5 min Warm-up
5-way Stretches
5 min Wet Jelqs
5 min Engorging
10 min Warm-down
I gradually increased the routine to 15 min wet jelqs by February - however I stopped doing stretches for some reason. After the month of Feb (going into March now) I decided to switch up my jelqing routine to sets again, like I had originally started with and made gains on, so my routine now looked like this:
5 min warmup
4x60 (240 reps) Wet Jelqs
10 min warmdown...
This was still a Mon, Wed, Fri routine.

On March 10th I started up this routine:
2x30sec A/V/C stretches *
5 min warmup
4x60 Wet Jelqs
3x20sec* Holds
10 min warmdown
* I've consistently done stretching before my warmup to let (at the time) my heating blanket warm up - it took a little while.

I later added in a 10 min engorging (edging/ballooning) before warmdown.
March 24 routine was as followed:
2x30 sec A/V/C Stretches
5 min Warmup
5x60 Wet Jelqs
3x30sec Holds
10 min Engorging
10 min Warmdown

march 30th:
5-10 min Warmup
6x60 Wet Jelqs (1-2 seconds), really focusing on the Jelq technique and blood flow *
Interspersed between every 2 sets of Jelqs will be an Uli exercise for 10 squeezes.
3x40sec Holds
10 min Engorging
10-20 min Warmdown

I normally do 3-5 second jelqs, but I hadn't been seeing any gains so I decided to try something different.

I followed that pretty consistently (Mon, Wed, Fri still) until about April 10th where I found the TGC Theory cruising around on Thunders'. I determined that the smooth muscle seemed to be my limit and after that switched my routine from mainly length-based to primarily girth based...
April 11:
5 min Warmup
Jelqing 5 min normal erection *
Jelqing 5 min 80-90% erection *
Uli Squeeze (5 reps)
Holds (3x30s)
Flaccid Bends (4x20s)
10 min Engorging
10 min Warmdown
* Still an overhand OK grip, pointing out/down.

After this my routine's been switched up a lot. For example I tried doing wet jelqing at 10+ seconds (which is very difficult for me for some reason because I have an issue with my hands becoming VERY sore during the workout).

Most of April was actually taken off because I had family over. I think I was mainly confused about what to do in terms of exercises and my failed attempt at long-rep wet jelqing was kind of discouraging. So most of April was taken off. Most of May has been this routine:
5 min Warmup
100 Dry Jelqs
3x40-60 second Holds
10 min warmdown

Dry jelqs really hurt my hands (like even after 25 reps) for some reason. To partly remedy this I looked into a Homemade Jelq Device. I got the tong can-opener part of the jelq device and now I'm just waiting for the foam piping (self-sealing, even) to come in the mail. It's taking its sweet time in getting here, but hopefully I'll be able to do more intense jelqing exercises with it.

This month I've also started up kegeling again. I go back and forth on it because kegeling really makes me shoot faster (I have trouble controlling my PC/BC muscle, which I'm going to hope to fix by practicing edging & controlling my breathing).

I've sadly not done enough of a workout to see if the TGC theory works for me or not, but I seem to fit the theory quite well (unless I'm totally misunderstanding it).

My measurements:
--- STARTING ---
BPEL: 7"
EG: 5.25"

--- CURRENT ---
BPEL: 8"
BPFSL: 8.5"
EG: 5.25"
EQ: 6-8 (on average - if I'm watching porn or very aroused though I can get to like 9-10)

I recently bought the book Exercising the Penis: etc, etc etc that is the companion to this web site. It was a good read - not exactly full of stuff I didn't already know (since I've read so much on Thunders & other sites - although I'm changing my warmdown to a cooldown now, which will actually save me like 8 minutes lol), but the reference for exercises and stuff is really nice to have. Reading through it is giving me some encouragement since I've hit a plateau for such a long time.

So anyway, let me get straight into what my current plan is:
- Change my diet: I'm going to be starting up a Paleo diet to lose weight and increase my health. Fat will be the primary fuel source for me, very likely, in addition to hopefully getting adequate amounts of protein.
- Start Exercising: In addition to the diet, I'm going to start exercising. Basically, I'm really fat lol. I think that's apart of the reason I started PE in the first place - my penis looks a lot smaller with my body fat % where it is right now than if it were, say, at 10% body fat. I'm going to be following the workouts in the Men's Health Belly Off! Club.
- Start taking a multi-vitamin and L-Arginine. Should be pretty self explanatory.
- I'm going to do a "Shock" workout this coming Monday. I've taken today off from what would normally be a PE day to give that 2-3 rest day before the shock workout day and I'll be taking 6 days off after the shock workout. I'll do something like this:
10 min Warmup
1-2 min light stretching
800 Wet Jelqs
6x60 Holds
Cooldown

- As for PE, I'm going to start varying up my routine more often. Every 2 weeks I'll measure, as well as during those two weeks watch my PIs to see if the routine is doing well or not. One thing that's been odd for me throughout my PE journey is I've never been very plump post-workout. I want to change this. I don't know if it's my jelqing technique that's at fault (probably is), but I want to remedy this somehow. I think it will also help to change my diet and take L-Arginine for bloodflow and such.
After the Shock Workout week I'm going to start this routine:
5-10 min Warmup
1-2 min Stretching in all directions
10 min slow Wet Jelqs going vertically against belly
1x30 Backwards Uli Jelq
1x30 Slinky Bends
10-20 min Engorging
Cooldown

I'll be starting this up with a Mon, Wed, Fri routine. After the 2 weeks I'm going to measure (although I'm not really expecting any gains that quickly), take stock of how my PIs have been, and modify my routine. I might add in more exercise days, but it will depend on how everything's going. I've also got the means to do Clamping, but I haven't added it into my routine yet. I think I've been hoping to gain with just manual exercises and I'm a little nervous about clamping, but I'll definitely give it a shot if it will help me with gains.


I hope this post hasn't been too jumbled. Thanks for reading, and if you have any advice or thoughts I'd like to hear 'em.

[JonPop]

Hey Kedio, welcome to the PE Gym. I wish you had given us more details on your routines and what you plan to do.

Great first post and looks like you have your thoughts pretty much together when it comes to PE. I don't see much need for advice, from what you've written. Good luck and stay around for awhile. JP

[Keido]

Well, I'm checking in after my "shock" workout today. It wasn't all that great. I only managed about 200 wet jelqs (took me 30 minutes tho', so that's not so bad) and my EQ wasn't very good throughout the workout - my Holds were pretty much flops. I didn't stay engorged during the holds for some reason... I have trouble holding a grip on the Hold for very long (my hands get very sore) and I think because of that I was losing engorgement during the exercise. Not too sure what to do about this - I've heard some guys use the Jelq Device to do holds, which I'm thinking about doing. The pipe insulation still hasn't come in yet though, so I can't really make the device. I tried using just the canning tongs, but I still lost the engorgement with those too.

I wasn't very plump post-workout either (nothing new there)... However immediately after the jelqing I was fairly plump, but I think that's just the engorgement from having a semi-erection for the jelqing.

I'll continue with the week off and see if my EQ improves with the break or something. I've been taking L-Arginine at night; I started fish oil capsules and a multi-vitamin today. I exercised today as well as started my healthy eating, so I hope it will just be a matter of time now until I start losing fat and gaining muscle.

Hey JonPop, if you read this: I've seen you talk about using the jelq device yourself - have you ever used a home-made version for comparison? I thought about getting the jelq device, but the price is pretty steep which is why I originally looked into making it myself. I'm curious if the price is really worth it. I'm hoping to get into more intense jelqing sessions with the jelq device, since my hands just don't last during a very long workout.

[JonPop]

Yes I use the Jelq Device. No, I never tried to make one. I didn't want a sharp edge or point from some home-made device ripping my dick. Yes the JD is worth the money and Yes, it will save your hands from getting sore. You have to be careful though, the intensity of Jelqing is much greater then with your hands. My recommendation, buy the real thing.

[Keido]

All right, I'll order it when I get the money next month. Oh, and another question - how long does it usually last? Will I have to buy a new one in a couple of months, or longer than that..?

[Keido]

I was reading Hairtrigger's log today and noticed this:

Warmup 10 minutes along with a massage.
Continue to warmup for an additional 5 minutes with light stretches.
Increase stretch intensity for another 5 minutes.
At this point I will decide if the session will be productive.
If I seem to be aroused easily I will continue.
If I can't get in the mood I will cool down and leave it for another day.

Well, I think that's just a great idea and because of that I'm going to steal it. I don't think I've been overworking my penis, but more it's an issue of arousal during the workout that leads to a crap EQ. To remedy this, I'll do PE every day and let my arousal decide whether or not it will be a rest day. Of course I'll be checking PIs and stuff in case I start overworking my penis, but right now I think for the past few months I've actually been underworking my penis, so I don't think it will be much of an issue (I gained quite well on a 5 on/2 off routine after all). I'll do a 6 week on / 2 week off routine right now, following with this arousal indicator idea (thanks Hairtrigger).

So for the 6 week on / 2 week off routine:
2 weeks I will do this routine, and at the end of the 2 weeks I'll measure, check PIs, see if I have any indication that the routine's doing its thing. I'll stick with it if things seem positive (even if I don't gain; I don't really expect to gain that quickly), but if not I'll change it up.
5-10 min Warmup
Light Stretching in all directions
100 Wet Jelqs (vertical, slower strokes) [200 took me about 30 minutes in the last workout]
1x30 Backward Uli Jelq
1x30 Slinky Bends
20-30 minutes edging (as time permits) / Kegel Routine (Monday, Wednesday, Friday)
Cooldown

[Keido]

Checking in here to say I'm going to be extending my week off to June 9, so it will be more of a deconditioning break for me now. I haven't taken a real break in awhile now, so I think it'll be good for me. My EQ's actually been improving a bit with the break... I don't think I was overworking my penis; I think I've just been letting stress/disappointment of not making gains get to me, so I think a nice solid break will be good for me. At the end of the month I'm going to order up the Jelq Device and it will likely get here by June 9, so I will use that in my PE routine. I'll probably do a pseudo-newbie routine but using the jelq device instead of normal wet jelqing, which will be more intense. I'm curious to see what the results of using the jelq device will be.

In the mean time I'll continue with working kegels, perhaps I'll do some edging sessions as well, and I'll focus on my diet and all that good stuff.

Kegel Routine
M, W, F
Short Kegels, about 100
Slow Kegels - 10 for 10 seconds
2 Kegels held as long as possible

[Keido]

Ordered up the jelq device today. If it doesn't get here by Monday (I do my routine at night) then I'll go with hand jelqing while I wait for it.

I've changed up my kegel routine a bit... basically I hold a kegel for as long as possible for up to 60 seconds, repeating as many times as required to reach a total of 60 seconds. I can do about 50 seconds while erect, but when flaccid I don't hold kegels for very long so I'm going to work with kegels flaccid. I'm really hoping improving my pelvic floor muscles will help with my stamina because right now I've absolutely no control over my PC/BC/whatever else muscles.

Not much else to add.

[Keido]

Hey, checking in to say I got my Jelq Device in the mail today. It seems very good - it doesn't seem particularly different from my homemade device except for the rollers, and the bars seem very flexible to pop the rollers on & off - however I'll have to be careful not to pop those rollers off accidentally during the workout (ouch!). The rollers seem to be made out of a very nice material (particularly in comparison to pipe insulation) that seems very cushy and molds well (I tested it out on my finger, seems quite nice).

Looking forward to starting up on Monday.
I'll probably measure tomorrow or on Monday to double check my starting points.

[Routine:
5-10 min Warmup
5 min stretching in all directions
50 Wet Jelqs with Jelq Device
1x30 Slinky Bends
20-30 min of Edging
Cooldown]

I'll do this daily depending on my PI's for now.

I've decided to make some long and short term goals. Right now I can't decide on what I want my final size to be (I'm all over the place on it... right now it seems like 9" BPEL and 6.5" EG), but I'm going to give myself some short term goals. See if it will help me stay motivated and committed.

So my first goal is by October 1st: I'd like to gain at least .5" EL and .25" EG. After October I'll re-sort my goals, see if I've made those or not (hopefully!). I'll measure every 2 weeks to see if there's any positive changes with my routines.

Oh, I also got supplements in the mail the other day - L-Arginine, L-Lysine, and Ginkgo Biloba. Ginkgo Biloba is supposed to help with mental clarity & memory too, which I'm looking forward to.

[Keido]

Well I measured today to track my progress to start up with this new routine and I've lost some gains. More specifically, I'm at 7.5" BPEL x 5.25" EG ... tops of 7.75" BPEL. I don't know if it was shoddy measuring in the past, current shoddy measuring, or just a bad day, but I'll go with that as my starting point for now.... bit depressing, really. More motivation though, I suppose.