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  • Q4L's 3 Year PE Anniversary - Still no gains to report

    March 2008 marks my 3 year anniversary with PE. I started consistent PE with a measurement of 5.75 BPEL and 4.25 EG in March of 2005. As of March 2008, I have no gains to report. I'm 5'6", 155 lbs, a very healthy eater, I workout 5-6 days a week with weights and HIIT running and am 25 years old. Like most Newbies, I had a vision in my mind, that after 3 years of dedication to the art of PE, I would have a cock that I would be proud of.

    My Struggle

    I found out about PE back in March of 2001. I paid for a membership to a pay site and started their “Beginner Workout.” After two months of not knowing how to perform the exercises properly and not seeing any gains, I gave up. I watched a lot of porn (and continue to do so) and always wanted a huge cock (or even one that’s just slightly above average). At this time, I concluded that PE was probably a scam, just like those enlargement pills. Yet, in the back of my mind, I kept thinking that there had to be a way to increase the size of my unit. Then, I found ************* and thought I found the Holy Grail itself – thousands of guys obsessed and insecure with the size of their dicks (both big and small) AND they were proving that PE does work.

    I have tried countless routines, devices and variations. I’ve tried the Newbie Routine, hanging (vacuum and the Bib), clamping (cable clamps, air clamp, adjustable cockrings), extenders, pumping, etc. I’ve tried dry jelqing, wet jelqing, Horse 440s, JAI stretches, inverted V stretches, Memento’s Rapid Gain Mechanism Routine, O-Bends, etc. I’ve tried IPR routines, the Peter Dick routine, less is more routines, more is more routines…EVERYTHING!

    Day in and day out, I would read as much as I can about PE and what has worked for others. I received advice from some of PE’s best – remek, xenolith, kingpole, babbis, Pud, Monty530, sparkyx, ModestoMan, Peter Dick, Shiver, MX, Iguana, gprent, peforeal, Krowax, avocet8, mbuc, drilla9, Vincent Van Cock, Endow, Big Girth, memento, Bib and even YGuy. Although I have not attained any physical PE gains, I would still like to thank all these members (and other members whom I have forgotten) for their advice. I would see Newbies come and go, and members posting of what great gains they were getting. I would go through cycles of determination and cycles of depression. Whenever someone suggested something that I haven’t tried before, I would get excited thinking “This is it!! This will get me gains!” But after being consistent and following their advice, only to discover I hadn’t gained anything, I would slip back into depression. The depression seems to get worse and worse each time that I slip back into it. I don’t know how much more I can take – I can’t keep setting myself up for disappointment.

    What I have learned

    Although I didn’t gain anything physical from PE, I do feel that I have grown as a person. I have learned many things throughout my PE journey. The first is friendship. I feel glad to be part of a community (both Thunders and the PE Gym). I can’t think of any other place like them. It’s truly amazing to see that I am not alone in my insecurity about my size, my bouts of depression, etc. I feel honored to be part of this “secret” club. Everyday we put on masks, consciously or subconsciously, yet, here, I feel as though I can ALWAYS be myself. For this alone, I am truly grateful.

    I have had the priviledge of seeing PE theories being developed and put to use. Bib’s LOT Theory, Big Girtha’s “Never Let It Turtle” Theory, Xenolith’s (with Shiver and MX) IPR Theory, remek’s Smooth Muscle Theory and countless others. I truly believe that one day we will develop this science of PE into a true artform, where everyone can achieve their desired goal.

    I learned a lot about myself. For one, my total posts after 3 years is just under 1000. This is not to say that I don’t like to help others, but the majority of my time is consumed by reading posts, both old and new, over and over again. I feel as though I have a wealth of PE knowledge loaded in my brain – I guess I should focus on application a little bit better so that I can put it to use and get some gains myself! Secondly, I didn’t realize how much dedication and tenacity I had. Usually, if I’m not good at something, I give up quite easily. I usually lose interest in things after about a month or so, especially if I don’t see results (keep in mind that PE is the exception – I have been on PE routines that have lasted longer than 3 months). I guess this tells you how badly I want PE gains.

    My Plea

    My brain is on PE overload. I'm depressed and I'm...tired. I created this thread for a couple of reasons. For one, I wanted to ensure Newbies that although I haven’t gained, that PE is REAL. Secondly, I need advice and encouragement. I think I’m reaching rock bottom with PE and feel as though I only have a couple “cycles” in me left before I completely give up. There is only so much time a logical person can put into something and not be getting any results from, right? So, should I go back to the Newbie Routine? Should I do an exclusive stretching routine? Unfortunately I don’t have the privacy to hang or pump anymore. Or, should I just give up entirely? WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?!

    Q4L


    PS - This has been a very difficult post for me to write. I know this post may come across as discouraging toward Newbies or even intermediate PEers who are struggling with gains. That’s not what this post was set out to accomplish. I just wanted a post that culminated my 3 years of PE, and to include my frustrations, thoughts and feelings toward my past and future PE journey.
    The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
    ~Oscar Wilde~

  • #2
    Thanks for your post quick, and I'm sorry to hear about your lack of gains. But it is still encouraging to read about your persistence, and from my experience, persistence, patience, quality and consistency is the key to attaining any goal. You seem to know everyone in the community, I would suggest that you talk to JonPoP, he is a very experienced PEer who has made a lot of gains. Good luck.

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    • #3
      Hey quick4life, wow, man. That sucks the big one. I've got a guy over at BetterMan, by the name of curly. He has been trying (like you) for a couple of years, everything he can think of and bless his heart, he can't gain a drop. Don't know what to tell you, you have been advised by some of the best around. Why don't you give it one more cycle? Go start on my 90 day Beginners routine, this has been a proven gainer. Do the full 90 days, grit your teeth and tough it out one more time. Best of luck to you, if you decide to do this routine, let me know and I will tutor you personally. I started 5 years ago on March 13th, with a BPEL of 4 3/4" Now, 8 1/2". If there is any way to help, let me know. JP

      I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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      • #4
        Thanks for your replies guys - much appreciated.

        JonPop - I was reading through the 90 Day Routine Thread the other day. I looks interesting. I'm going to consider a few things and weigh my options. Once I decide what path I am going to choose, I will let everyone know.
        The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
        ~Oscar Wilde~

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        • #5
          Quik: We've talked many many times, so you know how I feel. I'm hoping TGC theory will help offer some insight on your lack of gains, but we'll see.

          I would like to use this thread as a key point of the reasoning for this forum and this site: Many men don't gain. For whatever reason, guys such as yourself can't gain for the life of them. Hopefully, after years of organizing great posts, collecting information, and debating the "best PE methods" out, we'll be able to do what you say: "develop this science of PE into a true artform, where everyone can achieve their desired goal"

          That's the goal.

          I also want to point out that even though you haven't gained, I feel you offer invaluable wisdom and know more about all the "hot PE topics" than most men out there. It's a pleasure to have you as a mod here. You also show that PE requires persistence (something you have a lot of) and unfortunately some men are hard gainers.
          "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by remek View Post
            I also want to point out that even though you haven't gained, I feel you offer invaluable wisdom and know more about all the "hot PE topics" than most men out there. It's a pleasure to have you as a mod here. You also show that PE requires persistence (something you have a lot of) and unfortunately some men are hard gainers.
            Thanks remek.

            So far I have made my life's goal to try and achieve a penis that I can be proud of. But now, if I can help others get reach their goal, it will be just as satisfying as if I reached my own.

            My journey to Big Dick Island is far from over...
            The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
            ~Oscar Wilde~

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            • #7
              Hey quik

              Have you had any temporary length gains at all that you've lost? It sounds to me like your tunica is a tough customer that need some extraordinary effort to budge! How would you rate your dorsal thickening, if you know what I'm talking about? For some it's like a big cord running through the penis from the base to the head on the top side of the penis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dicko View Post
                Hey quik

                Have you had any temporary length gains at all that you've lost? It sounds to me like your tunica is a tough customer that need some extraordinary effort to budge! How would you rate your dorsal thickening, if you know what I'm talking about? For some it's like a big cord running through the penis from the base to the head on the top side of the penis.
                I did have 1.2 cm in BPEL of temporary gains from doing an IPR routine with a vac hanger. After a couple more cycles, I didn't get any further gains in addition to my first cycle. I went to Europe for 2 months and deconditioned while I was there. When I returned, I lost my gains and have not gained them back since.

                My dorsal vein is not too noticeable. It's not too prevelant, or thick. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be looking for here.
                The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
                ~Oscar Wilde~

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                • #9
                  Hey quik, sorry to hear about your troubles. Maybe you just need a couple years off? I know it's not much help on the immediate problem, but it will probably help you in more ways than one.

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                  • #10
                    Years off? I don't know... There's no way I could do that. I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it'll take years before I decondition my tissues.

                    I am taking a bit of a break right now until I decide which routine I'm going to do.
                    The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
                    ~Oscar Wilde~

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by quik4life View Post
                      I did have 1.2 cm in BPEL of temporary gains from doing an IPR routine with a vac hanger. After a couple more cycles, I didn't get any further gains in addition to my first cycle. I went to Europe for 2 months and deconditioned while I was there. When I returned, I lost my gains and have not gained them back since.
                      1.2 cm is a significant gain. I highly recommend using BPFSL for length though! The way I look at stretching is basically that when you stretch the penis it gets a little longer but when you dont stretch the penis will slowly revert back to the normal size. The trick is to reach plastic deformation so that the gain will become permanent and not revert back (this takes time). It sounds strange though to not reach PD at 1.2 cm gain, perhaps the gain, or some of it, was from improved EQ? That's why I use BPFSL, so I can determine if a gain is a tunica gain or a EQ gain.

                      At least you have shown that you can gain. I think that's important and that you can do it again with the right approach, hang in there.
                      Originally posted by quik4life View Post
                      My dorsal vein is not too noticeable. It's not too prevelant, or thick. I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be looking for here.
                      It's the connective tissue that protects the dorsal vein and nerves. In the words of ModestoMan from TP: "The dorsal thickening is a thick, dense band of connective tissue on the dorsal side (top side) of the tunica that runs the length of the outer shaft from the pubic bone forward."

                      Take your flaccid penis and stretch it out, now with your free hand, use your fingers to dig in and feel whats going on while stretching. The limiting factor is the tissue that is the most stretched out. Many people will feel a thick, dense, almost small cord like thing running along the penis from the base to the head on the top side of the penis. This is the dorsal thickening.

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                      • #12
                        Man, I feel compelled to try and help here. Maybe if we all put our heads together we can get a routine that will start you growing! Can you post every stat you can think of? BPEL, BPFSL, EG, FG, etc. Do you have a written history of your routines?
                        Maybe a log?

                        I agree with remek, I feel very confident in our latest theory the Tissue Growth Theory. Have you read through it?
                        Last edited by Iguana; 03-06-2008, 06:13 PM.
                        May 2006: 5.75" X 4.5" - Now: 7.44" X 4.875"


                        Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

                        Louis Pasteur

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                        • #13
                          Yes. I have read through the TGC Theory and find it very intriguing.

                          I'm going to try to compile a routine that focuses on smooth muscle tissues then have you and remek critique it before I start.

                          My measurements:

                          BPFSL: 6.25"
                          BPEL: 5.8"
                          EG: 4.25"
                          FG: 3.0" (approximately, it varies...)
                          EQ: 8-9
                          The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
                          ~Oscar Wilde~

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                          • #14
                            quick, here's a thought on your gain loss. I posted this in the Smooth Muscle thread but wanted to copy it here because it may apply.


                            One of the first things new guys ask is "Are gains permanent?" Then we give them the spiel about "cementing" which basically we have understood to mean, keep exercising the tissue until the gains become permanent. I don't know if anyone has ever questioned or examined why cementing works and what exactly happens to the tissue that keeps gains from disappearing. It may be noted, that even after seriously "cementing" gains, some guys still loose a little if they stop PE completely. So, that being said, we can conclude that some type of atrophy or shrinkage takes places after stopping PE exercises. What causes this shrinkage?

                            Logically, if the body is forced to adapt due to exposure to a new stimulus, such as stress, once this stimulus is removed the tendency is, for it to want to return to the previous state before it was forced to adapt. This has been shown in many other areas (i.e. bodybuilding.) It has been theorized in the SM thread that if you stop PEing the smooth muscle in the penis might atrophy causing a loss of gains. This is valid reasoning. Scientific data supports the notion that smooth muscle can atrophy. SO - likewise, could it be that if you made some good length gains and didn't work to fill the extra tunica space with SM; then stopped PEing, the tunica, lacking sufficient internal pressure to remain stretched out, could also atrophy back to the threshold of where the SM pressure is? This is assuming that the tunica has not been completely restructured by plastic deformation and that there is sufficient elastin remaining in the tunica to recoil it. On the other hand, if you stretched out the tunica and then develeoped the necessary smooth muscle to "fill in the gap" the added SM tissue could prevent the complete atrophy of the tunica?

                            If the SM can atrophy, why not the tunica? This could also help explain why lost gains return quickly? It could also help explain why EQ quality improves during a break - an "equalizing" of the tissues takes place. Meaning if the tunica is stretched beyond the capacity for SM to fill it, erections would be soft and weak. During a break tunica atrophy could reduce the excess space and improved erection quality?

                            I'm thinking that the sentence in bold could apply to you. What do you think?
                            Last edited by Iguana; 03-07-2008, 01:32 PM.
                            May 2006: 5.75" X 4.5" - Now: 7.44" X 4.875"


                            Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal: my strength lies solely in my tenacity.

                            Louis Pasteur

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                            • #15
                              I think it does apply - you're right.

                              I want to create a routine that focuses 80% on SM and 20% on tunica work. I think that by doing this, not only will I allow my tunica to expand, but as you say, I will be working on my SM to ensure that the space gets filled up.
                              The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.
                              ~Oscar Wilde~

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