Importance of pelvic floor needs to be pushed more.

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

After gaining and loosing for a few months with PE, I've realized I haven't made steady progress because of a tight pelvic floor with anterior pelvic tilt.

Anterior pelvic tilt, which is having a tight pelvic floor, is the reason for I'm guessing 99% of premture ejaculation, prostatis, and why one's penis is not girthy in the first place.

With the young generation having such bad posture, I believe that all beginner guides should stress that the very first step of PE is fixing anterior pelvic tilt, and if you do anything before fixing that you will only hurt yourself because your only causing more stress to tight/weak ligaments.

I know there are some out there, but what is needed is for someone around here who really knows there stuff to put together a mega guide for fixing the pelvic floor, and should be the first read for all future PEers.

Thankyou for ur time.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

So something like this.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aculation.html

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

So something like this.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...aculation.html

Yess exactly like that. So someone already did half of what I suggest.


There still isn't proper warning in all beginner guides JP90 for example. JP90 recommends to do kegels without saying that if you do kegels while having a tight pelvic floor, you will only be damaging yourself. What needs to be made very clear in every beginner instructions, is that if you begin a PE routine that involves anything from jelqing, to stretching, to kegeling, while having a tight pelvic floor, you will be doing damage. It is like doing deadlifts when you have bad posture. We see tons and tons of people on these forums that get the worst types of injuries, and I bet 90% of those injuries stem from doing PE with a tight pelvic floor. Recommending to newbies to do JP90 is like telling someone with poor posture to do deadlifts.

I believe that fixing a tight pelvic floor should be considered the first step taught to all newbies, and they should be warned in every beginner guide such as JP90, not to begin until the pelvic floor is fixed or else there will be damage. I think this is the best thing this community could do to prevent more people from becoming injured, what do you think?

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Well it is an interesting theory . I don't know how widely held this view is .

The author of the Jp90 wrote it before knowledge of pelvic floor issues became widespread. We had conversations about a rewrite to include the new info but unfortunately his health declined and he passed .

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

Well it is an interesting theory . I don't know how widely held this view is .

The author of the Jp90 wrote it before knowledge of pelvic floor issues became widespread. We had conversations about a rewrite to include the new info but unfortunately his health declined and he passed .

How widely held what view is? That you shouldn't do PE if you get a hard flacid/have a tight pelvic floor? The majority of young people do have anterior pelvic tilt, so it's safe to say that over 50% of people who attempt PE will end up hurting themselves because they are doing it with a tight pelvic floor.

The belief PE is too dangerous to do due to injury is WIDESPREAD PE and this community has a VERY bad reputation over the internet because soo many people who try this end up hurting themselves? If you realize that people getting injured is a plague in this community you gotta ask yourself what is the #1 cause of PE injury, and poor sexual performance in the first place, it is a tight pelvic floor.

Sorry to hear about Jp90, but as it stands right now that is what's always recommended to beginners, and if beginners attempt JP90 without a pelvic floor warning countless people will injure themselves.

All I'm saying is that the first thing in all beginner guides should say something like "Do not attempt any PE until you are 100% sure you don't have a tight pelvic floor, which you probably do. How to tell if you have it and what to do about it can be seen here …… if you attempt PE with a tight pelic floor you will not make any gains and only do damage."

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Where are you geting this from.?

You start with a theory with little evidence to support it then go off big time .

Not the way to be taken seriously.

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The majority of young people do have anterior pelvic tilt

I've never heard that. What's your source for that claim?

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

I've never heard that. What's your source for that claim?

The op seems to be making a lot of claims that he will have trouble justifying .

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

I've never heard that. What's your source for that claim?

I will have zero trouble justifying my claims pegasus

Not only do the majority of young people have anterior pelvic tilt, but the majority of PEOPLE have anterior pelvic tilt. This link says "

in

one study

, of the 120 subjects analyzed, 85% of men and 75% of women had some level of anterior pelvic tilt" https://www.muscleforlife.com/anterior-pelvic-tilt/

Srry dnt know how to change font back.

And you'd be insane to say that a crazy % of young people don't have poor posture and tight pelvic floors, here is overwhelming evidence.

This link explains why young people are suddenly having insane amounts of poor posture
https://www.muscleforlife.com/anterior-pelvic-tilt/

The only thing I could find statistics wise as to how much of the young populations has posture problems shows that the majority of young people DO have poor posture (which basically always has anterior pelvic tilt, rounded shoulders, and forward head together). The link says "

Nearly 75 percent of millennials surveyed reported having acute pain, and nearly 60 percent reported having chronic pain."

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

Where are you geting this from.?

You start with a theory with little evidence to support it then go off big time .

Not the way to be taken seriously.

Getting what from? That doing kegels with a tight kegel muscle, will only make your kegel muscle tighter, and have even worse pre ejaculation?

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

BuutyLawddyy,

Thanks for this data!

I agree with your assessment of contractile exercises NOT being the solution when there's some sort of strain- see: Caution about adding the Reverse Kegel to your routine

Many causes- from sitting in chairs for long periods of time, how the toilet is used, diet, stress, porn addiction, negative self image and other factors are creating a perfect storm of ED contributing issues. This is increasingly seen in younger people due to the ultramodern and sedentary lifestyle.

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

BuutyLawddyy,

Thanks for this data!

I agree with your assessment of contractile exercises NOT being the solution when there's some sort of strain- see: Caution about adding the Reverse Kegel to your routine

Many causes- from sitting in chairs for long periods of time, how the toilet is used, diet, stress, porn addiction, negative self image and other factors are creating a perfect storm of ED contributing issues. This is increasingly seen in younger people due to the ultramodern and sedentary lifestyle.

I believe jelqs to also put extra stress on these strained muscles, and will cause a hard flacid and/or turtling if there is a pelvic floor imbalance, leading to no gains and possible damage.

What is your opinion will a tight pelvic floor affect jelqing?

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I believe jelqs to also put extra stress on these strained muscles, and will cause a hard flacid and/or turtling if there is a pelvic floor imbalance, leading to no gains and possible damage.

What is your opinion will a tight pelvic floor affect jelqing?

If I may butt in, I would say that a lot of people kegel while jelqing, which in my opinion is bad form and can lead to over activity in the region (IKs).

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

If I may butt in, I would say that a lot of people kegel while jelqing, which in my opinion is bad form and can lead to over activity in the region (IKs).

This is a good piece of advice I think can make jelqing slightly safer for those with tight muscles, but this advice can't be seen in any beginner jelqing guide as far as I've seen.

If it's the extra kegeling people do while jelqing that makes the problem worse then the increase in erection quality received from jelqing will also cause excessive kegeling. My gains have been a roller coaster, and when I am at the top of the roller coaster, I would get uncontrollable random erections and morning wood, where my kegel would flex like crazy. If someone with a tight pelvic floor manages to make gains, they will start having the biggest erections they've ever had, and a lot of involuntary kegeling will ensue, adding to the problem. From my experience I would say it's totally possible the reason it's been a roller coaster is because whenever I start seeing benefits, my erections become too extreme and a lot of involuntary kegeling happens, tightening the pelvic floor and destroying the gains I've made. I'm not saying this is the case, but it fits/can explain what's been happening to me.

[BuutyLawddyy Member Find all posts View Profile Close BuutyLawddyy]

BuutyLawddyy,

Thanks for this data!

I agree with your assessment of contractile exercises NOT being the solution when there's some sort of strain- see: Caution about adding the Reverse Kegel to your routine

Many causes- from sitting in chairs for long periods of time, how the toilet is used, diet, stress, porn addiction, negative self image and other factors are creating a perfect storm of ED contributing issues. This is increasingly seen in younger people due to the ultramodern and sedentary lifestyle.

Also sorry to say but where you say we agree we do not agree. I have received great benefits from doing a reverse kegel. When I reverse kegel with an erection there are literally 3x more veins popping out, and I've noticed a long term increase in the veins from reverse kegels. Also when I RK my erection is stronger. RK during sex helps last longer, so I would say that means it is a good counter to a tight kegel. Even when I masturbate RKing makes me last longer and stops involuntary kegeling.

At least for my body, I've found RK to be the one good thing to do with a tight pelvic floor. Just like activating glutes while walking fixes anterior pelvic tilt and makes u stand taller, I will stand taller and have less of an anteriror pelvic tilt when I flex my RK (yes while I'm walking). They say anterior pelvic tilt is caused partially by weak abs, and in order to reverse kegel you must flex your lower abs.

There is not a single muscle in our bodies we should not be exercising and is not needed to be balanced with the rest of out body, besides a reverse kegel? I doubt it.

Also let me quote you said in that post

"

The BC muscles (targeted via RKs) are not antagonistic to the PC muscles (targeted via standard Kegels). The idea behind it attempts to conflate these muscles with something like biceps and triceps- which are antagonistic. Even in that case you don't work the biceps to relax the triceps. When working one, you actually engage the other to some degree as a stabilizer that controls the negative portion of each rep of exercise! This leads to MORE work, not less, and it does little to stretch the muscles themselves."

first let me explain somn, part of anterior pelvic tilt is having tight hip flexors, and weak abs. Your goal is to relax your hip flexors by doing ab workouts. With your logic you shouldn't do glute exercises because you "don't work (glutes) to relax the (hip flexors)" because when you work one you are engaging the other... leads to more work.... does little to stretch the hip flexors.

People with tight pelvic floor have their abs and glutes deactivated, and RK is activated by/connected to the abs. Therefore you can directly see how anterior pelvic tilt is caused by the RK/abs being weak.