help not gaining

[Hairtrigger]

Looks like to me you have only actually done PE for bout a month over the entire 2 years. You will have to be totally committed to your project for results to be seen. Jelqing for 40 minutes twice a month will not produce anything but a sore unit, back it off to 10 minutes and work up slowly. You can't force a month of PE into one day and expect it to work.

Your warmup routine is just as important as the exercises themselves, without a proper warmup you can injure your unit and gains will be harder to come by.

You mentioned that you Jelq but didn't say at what erection level. Knowing your erection level is crucial to developing a routine that works for you. If you Jelq with a very high erection level chances are you will gain slowly if any at all.

Also you need a warmdown routine, I warmdown in the shower with light stretches and Ballooning techniques.

[hoeren]

Id love to get help with assembling a routine.
I think I should stick to JP's beginners routine which is posted in the forum.

I will just start tomorrow, because I had my last session yesterday. And I will start with JP's routine.
I think I jelqed with a too hard erection aswell. I am mainly going for girth so I thought I had to make it more intense, so this is something that i will change from now on.

As for growing from age 19 to 21. uhm, everybody is different. I did not gain so much from my 19th untill my 21st. (see my stats below, that was my size when I was 19 and now they are roughly the same.)
I am not really sure though about the flaccid state, but i do remember somebody told me when I was 16 that your middle finger is the same length as your flaccid penis. So I have tried that when I was 16 and amazingly for me it was true. I dont know If my fingers have grown or that my penis has shrinked (this could also be due to cold, Its not really warm right here right now) but my middle finger is actually larger that my flaccid penis at the moment.


Damn I think I overtrained it. I realize I could have blown some cells which made my penis actually shrink. Less is more I know but I was greedy I guess.

There is something else bothering me: When I first started I had little red dots on the head of my penis. I read it was a neutral PI and that it's just the end of the vessels that were blown out and that you should not worry unless the dots were getting larger.

I am never having those red dots anymore.

I dont know what to think about that. Is that normal ? Do I have to train harder ?

I think its hard to read the PI's

[hoeren]

hairtrigger: How do Ballooning techniques work?

Also is it recommendable to warm down with a wet cold towel?
I heard it might work to cement your gains. Also people that professionaly bicycle use a cold shower after they have trained to stimulate bloodflow in their muscles. I have heard that and it makes sense to me.
What do you think about that?

[LookAlive]

It is hard to read and interpret neutral PI's, you have to look at how they effect your penis over-all (higher EQ, lower EQ, increase in size, decrease in size etc.) and then you can decide whether it's good or bad you haven't seen them!

Make sure you do use that light grip and don't jelq at too high an erection, 70% max! You do want the higher erection levels for girth but DO NOT jelq passed this level or you will damage yourself.

I know you asked hairtrigger but here is a link to balooning.

Hope that helps,

LookAlive

[Hairtrigger]

Also when i started PE my penis would stay longer bigger flaccid after I was finished training.

Staying erect for 5-10 minutes after your work out during your warm/cool down period will keep your unit more plump after your workout and will help with gains. I use a technique thats was inspired by Kingpole that seems to work great for me. I do this in the shower while I'm am cleaning up and use the shower time as a warm/cool down period.

[Hairtrigger]

hairtrigger:
Also is it recommendable to warm down with a wet cold towel?
I heard it might work to cement your gains. Also people that professionaly bicycle use a cold shower after they have trained to stimulate bloodflow in their muscles. I have heard that and it makes sense to me.
What do you think about that?

I have tried the "cold treatment" and was not a big fan of it. Most of my gains have been made using the warm down method. I am still in the gaining stage and not ready to cement. When I say "warm down" I am only getting my unit back to a normal temperature and not actually warming it back up, "warming down" implies just that. IMO a nice warm plump unit is a happy unit but people have made gains using either method.

Please explain how a cold body part can have more bloodflow. I always thought when the body gets cold it starts pulling blood back to it's core and will sacrifice body parts just to preserve itself. Isn't this what causes people to lose fingers and toes due to frostbite?

[hoeren]

hey
im thinking about giving my penis some rest. for like 6 weeks. To regenerate everything if i have broken anything. Do you guys think that is recommendable or do I just go on with my routine tomorrow

[Pegasus]

Horen you have a problem staying consistent, so a long break is not advised. So far as I can see lack of gains is down to inconsistent traing and not build up volume. Take 1 week off, then work into jp's routine,do not rush it, but over time work up so that you are doing the full routine.

Cold, ice baths etc, are used by advanced athletes to enhance recovery.
It has definite application in sport ,it's application in pe is unknown at this time.

[hoeren]

pagasus, your right
i need a kick in the but

alright, i was having no night or morning wood last night. I did not notice any woods during the night aswell (negative PI's)
I will wait for the woods to come back. Untill then im not touching my unit.
Then when they come back I will slowly build in JP's Routine.

Thank you guys for being so supportive!