- 12-09-2009 #1
Okay guys here is the situation.
From what I understand:
Kegels: strengthen and tone your PC/BC muscle, allowing you to contract it harder. Over time this will improve EQ, orgasm intensity and shooting distance and whatnot. Also, if trained well, you can contract it tightly enough to hold back ejaculation.
Great (seriously ). But after doing a bit more searching I also found a different variation to the kegel, namely the reverse kegel. Now:
Reverse kegels: help relax and soften the PC/BC. Now this seems to be useful because the more you kegel, the tighter the muscle becomes, which in turn might stimulate the male g-spot (prostate) more, which could in some cases WORSEN your premature ejaculation. And that's definately not what I'm shooting for (no pun intended). Being able to hold back ejaculation through kegeling is great (I think, haven't reached this point myself but it sure sounds good), but then again not so great if you constantly feel the need to cum, and you keep having to hold your ejaculation because your ''PE''(or here: time it takes to reach PONR) worsened through the very same kegels.
I'm not one to open up a new thread every time I have a question, but the more I study this, the more questions arise. So if anyone could answer me this:
- Is it best to have a balanced exercise containing both kegels and reverse kegels?
- If so, could you please give an example of one such routine?
- And finally, is this something a rookie should even worry about yet, or are these reverse kegels a more advanced exercise? (been kegeling/PE'ing for about 3 weeks now)
Also I don't know if I posted this in the right section, sorry if I did not.
Edit: added in the link to the site on which I read about reverse kegels.
Last edited by ExceLLength; 12-09-2009 at 06:36 PM.
- 12-09-2009 #2
Good post dude. /bump from me.(1st) Dec '09 (Cold room )
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- 12-09-2009 #3
- 12-09-2009 #4
Yes, your analysis was correct, that reverse kegels are great for softening the tissue, and adding fresh blood to the mix.
Then, kegeling away the old blood (and energy), and again replacing that blood with fresh blood by reverse kegeling...repeat as much as necessary. I find it only takes me 1 or 2 rounds and my arousal level is down to a more manageable level
- 12-09-2009 #5
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The thing lacking in this article and on this thread is a description of how to do the reverse kegel.
As I understand it, it is also called "bearing down."
Last edited by HotRod; 06-13-2011 at 07:21 PM.
- 12-10-2009 #6
Alright thanks for the replies HotRod and pe_ZEN.
I think I have the technique down correctly if I follow HotRod's description, though I do find it hard to quickly alternate between kegels and reverse kegels. But with more training I will get the hang of that I'm guessing.
My kegel routine looks like this:
10 minutes long - flex your PC/BC for 5 seconds, then 5 seconds rest
5 minute rest
Second half (if I still feel up for it):
10 times flexing the kegel as long as I can, with 30 second rests inbetween
I do this every other day.
Would it be good to for example alternate between kegels and reverse kegels in the first half? So 5 second kegel, 5 seconds rest, 5 second reverse kegel, 5 seconds rest.. etc.
- 12-10-2009 #7
I think the best exercise you could do is alternate: Kegel, Reverse Kegel..Kegel, Reverse Kegel...
the reason is, this is the pattern which will help with the stamina issue in intercourse. Also think of it this way: you are really feeling the range from the Kegel (muscle tight) to the reverse Kegel (muscle relax). The more you increase this range, the better off you will be
also, I might add, NO REST between Kegel and Reverse Kegel. Save your 5sec rest till after the reverse one, so you can fully relax
- 12-10-2009 #8
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I think reverse kegels are very important, you shouldn't train biceps and not the triceps muscle....likewise just training the kegel muscle will cause an imbalance and can cause PE
Reverse kegeling is a little more difficult to master than kegeling ..strong Abs help, but when mastered will provide you with great control of the blood flow in your penis and the taoists would say "greater control of the chi " also.
Its very easy to overtrain with Kegels and reverse kegels....REMEMBER you are using muscle groups that are not designed for constant contraction that occurs with kegel training therefore it is very important to start off very slowly.
I think it is important to gain a degree of strength and control of the muscles individually before training them in an alternate fashion ie. kegel for 5 sec then reverse kegel for 5 secs etc etc....Don't do this straight away.
Here is a routine I have previously used approx every 2 days for training individual muscles, it took a few months to build up to this:
100 1 sec kegels
50 5 sec kegels
25 10 sec kegels
13 20 sec kegels
7 40 sec kegels
4 80 sec kegels
2 160 sec kegels
1 240 sec kegel
Then this is followed by the same routine reverse kegeling.
After this you may wish to perform the same routine by trying a 3 intensity approach normal intensity then make the contraction harder then make it harder again, then reduce it in two stages back to to normal again.....when you can do this with one second kegels (I cannot) then you have a very finely tuned pc/bc muscle(s) . It's easy with the mid range kegels ie 10sec 20 sec ones but gets harder with the longer ones....just keep moving up and down the intensity.
After you have mastered this you may wish to introduce reversekegels and normal kegels together into your routine a little at a time. 1,2,4,5,10,20,sec reversals and after a few months start playing around with the intensity of them...REMEMBER a reversekegel and normal kegel routine is a very unnatural combination of repetative muscular contractions and should be attempted only when both musclular contraction and correct breathing conditioning has been established ie. when you can perform normal kegeling and reverse kegeling without undue effort /discomfort and with normal breathing.
Remember Rome wasn't built in a day..... master all the technical aspects of PE as well as possible and very slowly condition your penis and surrounding musculature with gradual increase of training intensity (start with JP's excellent 90 day routine) so that you build a firm foundation for the work that lies ahead.
NOTE These are just my views there are alot more knowledgable members than myself try to use advice from alot of sources and err on the side of Caution.
- 12-11-2009 #9
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Should have mentioned I do a set of kegels eg. 1 x100 then a set of reverse kegels 1x100 and so forth
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