Does PE actually work? Scientists say not.

**PatheticMedic** · 04-09-2015

Hmm, while I understand you skepticism- I implore you to look here: https://www.pegym.com/forums/success-forum/

You can read all the informational scientific studies you would like, you can take account of guys who have gained from this program, or you can try it out and find out for yourself. I'm sure you are curious enough, and since you seem to be a scientific man- why not try an experiment yourself. Give yourself 3 months, log everything, then come back to us and let us know how you did!

BTW, here is a quick look at some guys who gave it 3 months as well: https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...challenge.html

**Zman007** · 04-09-2015

Originally Posted by jwills

Just to be devils advocate most of those studies have been done on people who already have some form of deficiency. I forget what it is called but one looked at people with abnormal curves and penis shortening. I am more bought on the idea that we can stretch ligaments and tendons to increase length, a large portion of the penis is in the body. However, even on this subject science, and lots have research has been done on this that lengthening ligaments is extremely hard and very minimal. This is why stretching you illiotibial band is well useless. I am an exercise physiology major so I get the body some. Actual girth gains I can't see a way in which it can increase besides from increasing erection quality, which is something I need to do, I'd put me at a 7 or 8. I have not read all these articles obviously but will when I have the time. Thank you both.

I am just a very science based individual so struggle with concepts not yet proven as this could be an incredibly lucrative marketplace. What guy doesn't want a bigger dick.

I encourage playing Devil's advocate. The problem is that there is very little research done on PE, most of it is involving extenders, and they have been shown to increase the length of the penis.

Plastic Deformation of Connective Tissues: Sure, attempting to lengthen the IT band is difficult, not futile, just difficult and can be accomplished. Whether it is worth the time and effort is the question. When dealing with the penis we are dealing with much smaller ligaments and smaller areas of connective tissue which means a greater average force applied to the tissue. Think of it more like the ligaments in your ankle, a few bad sprains those ligaments are loosened a great deal, granted that example is an acute example, it works.

Smooth muscle remodels depending on the its purpose and often as needed. Jelquing and other exercises stimulate smooth muscle forcing growth which expands to fill the area of the tunica.

The biggest problem is that you are looking for research that really doesn't exist yet. Its on the fringe of medical science and there is a pervasive opinion that is doesn't work or is too dangerous to enter mainstream.

I know it works, I've had a massive increase in penis volume due to PE. Also, I'm a very science minded individual with a higher level of directly applicable education. PE, when done properly and consistently, for a large number of people.

As I said before, the proof is in my pants.

**master-gauge** · 04-09-2015

All the proof I need... Well I carry that with me all the time, lol!! No there is not really any medical "proof" and there is a very good reason for that.. That is so the industries can push there pills.. How many guys here almost or did cure their ED?? No I didn't bother with pix.. I wouldn't post pix of my junk if it was 8"x6"... There aren't too many guys that will tug long enough to grow anyway.. It's the same as going to the gym..

**mannakonda** · 04-09-2015

No it doesnt work its a scam!

**kickinthemebs** · 04-09-2015

All a lie,run while you can.

**bloodthorne262** · 04-09-2015

Originally Posted by Cavalier

Welcome aboard!

As mentioned above, there is nothing to gain by scientific research on PE. I don't believe that you will find any Dr that will endorse PE, there is to much risk of injury by an overzealous individual that has not fully educated themselves on proper and safe PE. It is not something that a Dr can control and the liability is too high.

Do some looking around on this forum, we are real people with real gains. There are a lot of members here, past and present, who have had great success. We have nothing to gain with misleading anyone with false claims. You have done the right thing, start PE and find out for yourself.

Good luck and always PE safely.

I agree. No doctor will endorse PE as it could lead to injury to uninformed individuals. If it's not FDA approved and is not covered my malpractice insurance you will not see a doctor support it

**closed224** · 04-09-2015

Welcome to the forums. While it is true that you can't move in such a way that you stretch the IT bands, you can stretch them. A massage therapist can move, stretch, and loosen them similarly to the way I stretch and loosen my penis. By applying the correct force for the correct time, in the correct direction things can be encouraged to grow. Tissues can be made pliable.

**downthere** · 04-09-2015

OP, have you ever seen pics of African girls that have those HUGE metal bands inside of, and stretching their earlobes? I guarantee they didn't do that in a month...but, they did it. Same principle - time.

**Praetorian** · 04-09-2015

Originally Posted by jwills

Oddly no pictures seem to load. Not a huge fan of look at penises anyway.

Hi jwills and welcome. This site has accumulated a huge pool of data over many years that demonstrates real growth in penis size. I know that you may not be a fan of looking at penises...but as a scientific based investigator, is not observation a critical part of proving or refuting theory? I am university educated and over 6 years of study, I often had to delve into areas that I had no personal preference for but my adherence to proper academic standard required me to, if I was to give an informed answer backed by evidence.

Just as you may need to look at a culture through a microscope, you may have to look at penises that have undergone changes over time to help form a valid, critical perspective.

I hope that you do examine the evidence and regardless of whether you choose to engage in a program here for scientific or personal reasons, we are happy to have you here and once again, a warm welcome

**MrsLooking4more** · 04-09-2015

Welcome to the Gym jwills! I can speak for anyone else but my husband came here looking to improve EQ and get rid of Pre-E and ED all these symptoms went away within a few months of he starting to do the JP90 routine, as a side effect he had size gains and he then focused to get more (Not that he needed them in my humble opinion). I can tell you as a wife that saw the process that it works, I can also tell you as a mod that it takes time and dedication and that for some people it might not work due to their health and/or genetics for size gains but you will for sure have improved penis health. Good luck!