Does PE actually work? Scientists say not.

[PioneerTechnics]

It doesn't work, we're all crazy! Marijuana doesn't cure cancer and the earth is flat!... oh wait.

[Flower_power]

I would say that it is part of modern human thinking to doubt on everything BUT

Why should so many people state they made gains ? I mean what would be the purpose ?

Sure there are a lot of commercial users in the internet, some of them want to sell a certain prouct thus claim to have made enormous gains with wonderpumps, extenders and what-have-you.


BUT look for uncommercial users, who write about gains, some give picture proof. Tell me, why should these people do this, we are on the internet. Right an more or less anonymous place, so where would be the psense in simply showing off with wrong results ? Well...you see...

[shelby3]

I looked at the photos. The problem is there is no way to be sure of the change in EQ between the before and after erect photos. For example, rammln's starting April 2010 pic looks like his penis is not as straight and engorged as his December 2010 pic.

This might also explain why gains beyond the typical ~0.5" beginner gains, are hard fought and much slower to achieve.

I have never seen pics of someone claiming > 1" in length gains.

The drastic increase in flacid length for example in rammln's pics is difficult to accept because appears he took the December pic while he was still actively doing PE, and because I have also seen my flaccid length increase with a minimal hours of stretching with a noose extender, but not sure if any of those flaccid length gains have been sustained (I didn't measure my flaccid stats).

As for why members might be convinced of the efficacy, one plausible explanation is simply the desire to believe it and thus clouding their objectivity about EQ increase. The thread about EQ explains that pyschologically most men overrate their EQ when it is low.

My BPSFL is < 7" (roughly 6.75"). So if I ever get gains in BPSFL significantly > 7", then I will objectively say that PE can stretch the ligament. I am thinking it might be possible with long duration, high duty cycle, low tension (e.g. a Phallosan or VacADS worn 10+ hours per day at say < 1 kg).

Before I start PE again (only did roughly 50 hours of often too painful noose extender last year), I will try to upload some very extensive and well done photos and try to find some way to exemplify my EQ if I can think of a way (?).

I am trying to cure my Multiple Sclerosis first, so I can remove that (formerly debilitating) factor.

[Sean Jacobs]

The biggest problem is that you are looking for research that really doesn't exist yet. Its on the fringe of medical science and there is a pervasive opinion that is doesn't work or is too dangerous to enter mainstream.

Zman007 has made many great points in his posts. To add to the point above: Scientific research studies require a lot of funding. In most cases research funding is provided by government agencies, privately funded agencies, or from large corporations (who typically are looking to prove their produces are beneficial and do not have major negative effects). Who would fund large scale high quality research studies on PE? Certainly not the government or privately funded medical groups. There are no large corporations who would have enough of vested interest in investing in a research study for PE. Besides, if a large corp who happened to sell PE products (pills, devices, etc) did run a study would you trust the results?

So, we are left with a lot of men experimenting with PE on there own and recording their results in places like the PEGym. You can consider this forum as a large scale, uncontrolled, research study. You can look at the results people claim to have and decide for yourself if they are telling the truth. You can try the techniques on yourself and see if they actually work. Judging by all the information on this site (as well as other sites I've been on in the past) I would believe it does work, but only on a small percentage of men who actually put in the proper amount of effort over an extend period of time.

But, I know for a fact it works because it has worked for me. I was one of those men who stuck with it for a long period of time and reaped the benefits.

[Phoenix7672]

My BPSFL went from around 6.5" to 7.6", Flaccid (pressed in) 5" to 6", and BPEL 6.8" (probably more like 6.75" really) to at or just under 7.5". As for EQ, if anything mine has maybe dropped 1 or 2 points (either from overtraining or just other stresses in life atm). Girth hasn't really changed for me.

The funny part is part of me still thinks this can't really work, and I must be measuring wrong...but I do it the same every time, and there is no way for that large of a difference to be measurement error.

As for why I started -- I was skeptical as hell too, but decided meh I'd give it an actual shot. Either I'll waste a bit of time, or I'll gain. If it is the former, then I haven't really lost much (maybe 10-15 mins a day) and if it is the latter, I'd feel like an idiot if I didn't do it. After I saw my first 0.25" gain, I was hooked.

[lilbigman]

While it is true, many will gain in the beginning because of increased eq, (which is a gain) some don't. When I started I got very minimal newbie gains. Maybe 1/16" both ways. I think this is because my eq has always been good and that is why there wasn't much to be had for me. However, I exercised for a solid year with a heavy girth routine and gained 1/4" both ways. It was a good 9 months in before I started seeing gains, so there is no way my size increase was do to increased eq or newbie gains. And like I said it was a heavy girth routine, I hardly stretched at all, very minimally so there is no way this can be attributed to stretching the ligs. So how can this be? I increased the size of my penis. Period. So you can believe me and take this as proof that PE works. Or you can doubt it and listen to the "medical professionals", and stay the size you are. But know this, PE is a lot of work if you want to increase your size. You have to really want it and be prepared to dedicate many, many hours to it if you want to actually gain. Like most things in life, what you put into it will determine what you get out of it. And yes PE can be dangerous and cause long term ed to people who stupidly exercise way to hard, for way to long, way to early!

I have nothing to gain by telling you this. I am not trying to sell you any pills or devices. All of my gains have been made using my hands. The only thing I am trying to sell you is the truth. PE works. The rest is in your hands.

[Pegasus]

I looked at the photos. The problem is there is no way to be sure of the change in EQ between the before and after erect photos. For example, rammln's starting April 2010 pic looks like his penis is not as straight and engorged as his December 2010 pic.

This might also explain why gains beyond the typical ~0.5" beginner gains, are hard fought and much slower to achieve.

I have never seen pics of someone claiming > 1" in length gains.

The drastic increase in flacid length for example in rammln's pics is difficult to accept because appears he took the December pic while he was still actively doing PE, and because I have also seen my flaccid length increase with a minimal hours of stretching with a noose extender, but not sure if any of those flaccid length gains have been sustained (I didn't measure my flaccid stats).

As for why members might be convinced of the efficacy, one plausible explanation is simply the desire to believe it and thus clouding their objectivity about EQ increase. The thread about EQ explains that pyschologically most men overrate their EQ when it is low.

My BPSFL is < 7" (roughly 6.75"). So if I ever get gains in BPSFL significantly > 7", then I will objectively say that PE can stretch the ligament. I am thinking it might be possible with long duration, high duty cycle, low tension (e.g. a Phallosan or VacADS worn 10+ hours per day at say < 1 kg).

Before I start PE again (only did roughly 50 hours of often too painful noose extender last year), I will try to upload some very extensive and well done photos and try to find some way to exemplify my EQ if I can think of a way (?).

I am trying to cure my Multiple Sclerosis first, so I can remove that (formerly debilitating) factor.

I am quite ok with you not believing it , see ya.

[shelby3]

Marijuana doesn't cure cancer...

That is the antithesis of persausive. I am employing an alternative cure (1000 IU per kg daily vitamin D3 with 2.5L water) for Multiple Sclerosis that a practicing neurologist has claimed a 95% cure rate on 2500+ patients treated (for which modern medicine has nearly 0% cure rate and maybe 30% remission rate). I consider that to be persausive evidence. I have not seen such persausive data on MJ as a cure for cancer.

My BPSFL went from around 6.5" to 7.6", Flaccid (pressed in) 5" to 6", and BPEL 6.8" (probably more like 6.75" really) to at or just under 7.5". As for EQ, if anything mine has maybe dropped 1 or 2 points (either from overtraining or just other stresses in life atm). Girth hasn't really changed for me.

The funny part is part of me still thinks this can't really work, and I must be measuring wrong...but I do it the same every time, and there is no way for that large of a difference to be measurement error.

As for why I started -- I was skeptical as hell too, but decided meh I'd give it an actual shot. Either I'll waste a bit of time, or I'll gain. If it is the former, then I haven't really lost much (maybe 10-15 mins a day) and if it is the latter, I'd feel like an idiot if I didn't do it. After I saw my first 0.25" gain, I was hooked.

Thank you. That is persausive personal testimony. But I don't know you and I see you have a pretty strong vested interest in this forum. Thus I will reserve my right to be skeptical but willing to try, as you did. At least my post will serve as proof that I wasn't feigning my prior skepticism. So if later I attain similar results to you, then my future testimony could be more persausive, especially if I have very clear photos.

Our starting point is similar (my starting BPEL 6 5/8" and current BPSFL roughly 6.75"), except our initial BPSFL and BPEL are swapped, thus you were ligament constrained and now you are not which is according to the TGC theory means your EQ should be lower. It is possible that before the minimal (50 hours?) extending I did last year, my BPSFL might have been lower. This could explain why I thought I sometimes measured my BPEL to be 6.75" after that initial PE, but it hasn't been repeatable. Maybe it is EQ variance.

Did you do girth work (jelqing or pumping)? Or exclusively hanging and/or extending?

[namsokiek]

try google search "scientific research pegym" and you'll find the million other threads from doubters and a million other great responses.

[Closed039]

I'm pretty skeptical myself but after trying the starter routine and seeing results, I am no longer a skeptic.