Confusion Over Clamping

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There are several disparate clamping methods I have encountered in my navigating here, thunders, and some other forums. That disparity has only served to confuse me.

1. One of the main points of confusion is over the degree of erection, and at what point in the process the clamp is to be tightened.

BIB said it is critical to cut off return/outgoing flow while the penis is in the partially erect state, not fully erect. He claims that this is necessary for the clamp/uli thing to effectively constrict return flow, because, at the fully erect level, Bib states pressure is too great within the penis for the clamp to effectively do so. One is then to gain engorgement through incoming blood, which itself is ultimately to be cut off, after "super-engorgement" has been achieved. This method is also essentially the one advocated in the Extreme ULI video tutorial at Thunder's, as well.

However, the Clamping Guide on this web site seems to suggest that one only need achieve a full blown erection and apply the clamp. This is much simpler, but I recall trying it this way before with the plastic cable clamps, only to lose pressure quickly.

It would seem to me that a metal hose clamp would have enough clamping power to cut off both incoming and outgoing blood even with the penis in its fully erect state. This, in my mind, would actually be the ideal, as greater pressures could theoretically be produced, taking the internal structures beyond there marginal expansion.

2. Both Bib and the Thunder's tutorial state it is necessary to ultimately cut off inflow, as well--not leave it open. Bib says this is necessary, for without doing so, pressure will eventually be lost due to backflow--in other words, blood will leave the penis by way of the vessels whence it came.

However, the clamping guide, and posts by Big Girtha at Thunder's say inflow should be left open so that pressure can build throughout a set. It seems to me this would require continued arousal/stimulation; otherwise the backflow would occur. Am I wrong?

3. How do you know when you have achieved cutoff of outgoing blood? And incoming?

Remek, I really hope to hear from you on this, as I think you are the resident authority, but I'm game to hear from anyone.

Cheers.

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John: I must have missed this yesterday. Sorry about that.

About your problem with losing blood flow with the cable clamps: You're not the only one. A lot of men appear to have a problem keeping any in their penis after a few minutes of clamping. I'm not completely sure why, but I can assume that some men aren't wrapping tight enough. Have you tried the hose clamp yet? And if so, did you find that it fixed this problem?

As to questions 2 and 3: A quick reference to the anatomy article should explain it all for you: https://www.pegym.com/penis-enlargem.../penis-anatomy

Have a look at the picture in the article, and you'll notice that most of the veins (which controls the outflow - taking blood towards the heart) are on the outer layers of the penis (i.e. not inside the CC and CS). You shut these off by wrapping tightly and clamping the penis. In fact, when you get an erection, you're essentially just closing off the veins. This happens because the smooth muscle within the penis expands, which causes the tunica to expand, and then the tunica presses against the veins -- turning the "outflow switch" off.

You'll also notice some arteries on the outside of the penis... but more importantly, there are several arteries in the CCs and CS. This is where I'm confused by your post about Bib and cutting of inflow. Are you sure Bib said that you can - and must - cut off the blood from flowing into the penis? To my understanding, you can't cut off inflow to your CCs and CS. Or at least I wouldn't know how to. . . Perhaps you can send him to this thread for some clarity?

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Thanks, Remek.

Well, then, I'm confused about something else, now.

If an erection ultimately cuts off outgoing blood anyway, why is that even a concern with clamping. Is the the clamp/wrap really even responsible for the cutoff then? It would seem to me that clamping, in essence, is simply a matter of decreasing shaft area whilst mataining the same volume of blood within that space, and therefore creating greater internal pressure.

Yes, Bib definitely has stressed to me his belief that incoming veins should be closed off as well to prevent backflow. Otherwise, he says, pressure will be lost--that is if one has no external arousal stimulus.

Yeah, the hose clamp really seems to offer much more control over the whole process.

But I still don't know at what point to tighten the clamp. Flaccid? Semi-erect? Fully erect? At what point do I tighten down?

Do I attach it partially erect or flaccid, and then build to an erection? Or do I simply achieve a full blown hard on and then attach the clamp and tighten? This is the point I have been confused over and frustrated about for some time.

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John: You tighten the clamp when fully erect. If it's easier, you can put the clamp on when your are soft/semi erect, and then tighten when you are fully erect.

The clamp/wrap does two things that I am aware of:

1. It reinforces the tunica in cutting off the outflow of blood.
2. It adds more pressure upon the penis, increasing the inflow (thus causing the penis to expand more outward).

It may do more, but no one has ever studied the anatomical effects of clamping in a scientific study - so we're just guessing here.

The entire process is akin to that of a cock ring.

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Thanks, Remek.

Why is dangerous to practice clamping while having sex? It seems to me this would be a nice replacement to edging. Just engage in intercourse for 10 to 15 minutes sets, taking a break in between. Why not?

Yeah, that crossed my mind. How is the plastic cable clamp any different from a cock ring? Is it just more aggressive?

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John: Who says clamping is dangerous while having sex?

To be honest, clamping in general is one of the least safe PE methods (hence the huge warnings on the clamping guide), but a lot of guys have made great gains in both size and hardness with it. Similarly, a lot of guys have had sex while clamping. I wouldn't say it's dangerous. Rather - like all PE - you have to know your limits and pay attention to your penis.

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Oh, there's a chap over at thunder's who claims it's dangerous. But it seems to me, it would be a great alternative to edging, and could produce some excellent expansion. Just pay attention to the clock, right?

You know, Remek, I'm thinking there really is something to cutting off outgoing flow before gaining a full erection. I have found, personally, that clamping down at full erection just doesn't work for me, nor do the plastic clamps seem to. I think it better, perhaps, to gain the full erection after slightly constricting the penis in a near but less-than-erect state. I know I'm not the only one who thinks this; men like Bib and Piet (thunder's mod) feel the same way. And it drives me nuts. I wish I better understood the physiology of the penis so I could understand why this is the case. I think I need to read a bit more, honestly.

Here's what I'm thinking--and do tell me what you think:

1. Gain a near full erection, with some pliability still in the shaft (in other words, not rock hard)

2. Use a metal hose clamp, with a strip of mousepad, to slightly or completely restrict outgoing flow. This way, the fresh blood will continue to come in throughout the state of arousal.

3. Basically, mark the time on the clock, and begin intercourse, or have your wife edge you. This is the point where you will gain the full erection.

4. When the clock hits 10 or 15 minutes, take a break.

5. Start up again, and continue until you've completed a full session.

And that's it. Mind you, I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet, but in theory, I think it could really work. It's sort of a combination between your method (clamping once fully erect and leaving inflow open) and the extreme ULI (clamping slightly at less-than-erect, gaining the erection, and then cutting off both in and out flow).

Oh, I have a question for you, and the answer could really affect my theory above. If one completely constricts outgoing flow, does inflow cease, or will it continue to flow, creating greater expansion? It's in my mind that cutting off outgoing flow completely may well create some kind of blood equilibrium and thus prevent further inflow.

Cheers, Aaron.

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John

Oh, there's a chap over at thunder's who claims it's dangerous. But it seems to me, it would be a great alternative to edging, and could produce some excellent expansion. Just pay attention to the clock, right?

Yes, but clamping does, of course, come with a little bit of danger. More men tend to get thrombosed veins when they overdo it when clamping than with traditional PE.

2. Use a metal hose clamp, with a strip of mousepad, to slightly or completely restrict outgoing flow. This way, the fresh blood will continue to come in throughout the state of arousal.

Have you tried Bib's Uli thing? It may work out better for you than the metal hose clamp.

3. Basically, mark the time on the clock, and begin intercourse, or have your wife edge you. This is the point where you will gain the full erection.

I can understand why someone can say clamping while having sex is dangerous. You can't see your penis, and therefore can't tell if you're going overboard or not. Is it black? Is it blue? Who knows . . . it's inside of a vagina.

And that's it. Mind you, I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet, but in theory, I think it could really work. It's sort of a combination between your method (clamping once fully erect and leaving inflow open) and the extreme ULI (clamping slightly at less-than-erect, gaining the erection, and then cutting off both in and out flow).

Have you tried it yet?

Oh, I have a question for you, and the answer could really affect my theory above. If one completely constricts outgoing flow, does inflow cease, or will it continue to flow, creating greater expansion? It's in my mind that cutting off outgoing flow completely may well create some kind of blood equilibrium and thus prevent further inflow.

Cheers, Aaron.

I'm sure blood will always flow out to some degree, but I can't be certain. I can say this, though: Some men find that putting the clamp on pre-erection works best, whereas others find that post-erection does. Some men have a hard time either way. Hopefully, for the guys in the last group, your onto something with your theory.