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    I have been doing PE now for nearly 2 months now and have had mixed results. The first month I was using Vimax regularly and gained a 1/2". After reading around the forums and seeing not many others using them I stopped and my growth has not been much since maybe 1/4". I was wondering if you guys think that I am just plateauing or maybe I should go back to using the vimax pills.

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    Dont buy them (they're just too expensive, and only help the blood flow, but some do slightly help erection size)
    I agree though, that the pills with PE exercises do help you gain a lilttle bit more (which is what I've seen)
    However, your gains arn't going to be as much from now on as they were in the very beginning.
    But instead of vimax, just do what JonPop says in his 90 day routine
    "Supplements

    These Supplements are all you will need.

    Stay away from Penis Enlargement Pills. These are a waste of money.

    Take these every day for the duration of this program. Then decide if you want to continue with these supplements.*

    1 Super B complex.
    1 Multi Vitamin & Minerals.
    1 60 mg Zinc.
    2 500mg L-Arginine capsule.
    1 500 mg L-Lysine.


    REVISED:
    To avoid build-up in fatty tissue, of some of the vitamins such as "A", decrease all these supplements to a 5 day on 2 day off routine. Your body will sluff-off any build-up in this period."
    Waffelz
    Junior Member
    Last edited by Waffelz; 06-15-2008, 09:41 PM.

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    • #3
      Penis pills

      In regards to pills I agree further more; if you are concentrating on length gains (which you should do primarily) the collenagous tissue must remain in a constant broken down state. Taking things like Vit C or Cod liver oil, Glucosamine could be detrimental to your progress, as these will aid rapid repair and strenghten or even worse thicken the collengen further making it more difficult to breakdown and lenghten. In fact, these supplements are doing the opposite of what you want them to!
      Once you have reached your length goals you can now concentrate on girth, (lenghten first, thicken second) then the supplements suggested above may help on this regard, as you need to keep a good blood flow for growth (girth).
      triniwild
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      Last edited by triniwild; 06-18-2008, 06:19 AM.

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      • #4
        Triniwild, are you saying that the supplements I recommend in my Newbie routine are detrimental to growth? And should not be used until length gains have been achieved?
        I'm sorry my man, but you are full of poop.

        Thousands of men have taken these recommended supplements while doing my Newbie routine and have received great length and girth gains. Plus an improvement in overall health.
        There is Nothing in these supplements that will hinder growth, just the opposite. Healthy body = Healthy Penis.

        1 Super B complex.
        1 Multi Vitamin & Minerals.
        1 60 mg Zinc.
        2 500mg L-Arginine capsule.
        1 500 mg L-Lysine.

        I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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        • #5
          JonPop, You shouldn't thicken and lengthen at the same time. The reason being it become far more difficult to lengthen something if it's thicker. You can do both at the same time but you will never reach your full potential this way. Period.

          Please read the following extract taken from another forum,this is from Bib himself (I assume you know who he is):
          Bib made LENGTH gains of 4 1/2 inches in 2 years 6 months and took no supplements of any kind. When PEing for length you don't need them; but girth is another matter, girth PEing should be done only after all length gains have been achieved. I've made length gains of 2 1/4 inch in 14 months, I reacon I have at least another 15 month untill I reach my length target, I may well check your supplement list when I start on girth!

          Please read Bibs reply to a similar question from another forum:

          Well i was shopping for wellness supplements recently and i came across a supplement called msm (Methylsulfonylmethane) which is supposed to help build collagenous tissues while also helping with joint pain and discomfort.my question is whether this supplement would help us gain more or will it hinder progress due to its collagenous tissue repair attributes. I was hoping that maybe someone could help me research this supplement and comment back on the results they came up with.<

          The size of an erection is directly determined by how restrictive the collagenous tissues of the tunica are, and how closely the shaft is held against the pubic bone (how long and tight the ligs are).

          The only way to increase size is to increase the length of the tunia, increase the girth of the tunica, or stretch the ligs to allow the expression of inner shaft as outer shaft. In order to do this, collagenous tissue must be deformed.

          After any deformation, the body immediately begins to attempt to put things back the way they were, healing. The faster this healing process, and the more efficient, the tougher it is to gain. Two steps forward, one or one and a half back.

          Unless you are starving, or have a severe Vit C deficiency, you are going to heal. The speed of healing can be affected though. Anything you can do to keep these collagenous tissues in a weakened, partially healed state allows for easier deformation of more collagenous tissue in future sessions.

          So the short answer is, do not take any collagenous tissue supps. or other healing supps. Try to limit Vit C intake to the RDA.

          Great question.

          Bigger
          triniwild
          Junior Member
          Last edited by triniwild; 06-18-2008, 02:01 PM.

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          • #6
            O.K. I agree with what BIB said about Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM.

            I know BIB, have followed his advice. I have gained from 4 3/4" to 8 1/2" in BPEL, when I started serious PE in Nov, 2003. I have also gained from 4 1/2" to 6 1/2" in MSEG.

            Taking the supplements I recommend and doing the exercises I wrote in the 90 day Newbie routine along with more advanced exrecises after completing the Newbie routine, gave me these gains. I work on length in the morning and girth at night.

            The 90 day Newbie routine is only to condition the penis. Many men have seen very good gains of length, girth and flaccid hang from doing this routine for the full 90 days.
            The supplements I recommend are only to get the body healthy enough to replace some of the poor eating habits of todays young people and people on the go. Most people in todays society are vitamin defficient.

            And to add; You will gain girth even if you only do length exercises. This is the nature of PE.

            I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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            • #7
              I will have to go with JP on this one. If you are unhealthy chances are your PE routine will suffer, only until you have a constant source of nutrients that can maintain a health body that you will see improvement no matter what your trying to acheive. However, you don't have to pay big bucks for any supplement.

              Triniwild,
              As with length being the primary focus of your PE routine, I again will have to dissagree. My primary focus was to prepare my unit for gains by getting it in a healthy conditioned state so I could properly improve my unit without injury. You talk of breaking down your unit, this may work fine, but if you take it slow enough your unit will never know whats happening. You may be creating the very thing that your trying to avoid. If your body senses that it is being attacked it will throw everything it can at the invader and build it stronger to resist any future attacks. If your body seems to have some missing or damaged cells it simply replaces them with the current model.

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              • #8
                Hairtrigger, not happening. Where do you get your nutrients FROM FOOD. A healthy balanced diet is far better then any supplements. Your body absorbs more directly from good quality food, than any supplement. This has been scientifically proven. Why O why do people believe in this I don't think you have the concept behind this, please do some further reading before you jump to rash conclusions.
                I have been into sports all my life have been bodybuilding many years, I stick to a healthy diet as a way of life. So even before I started PEing I was in great condition. Take the supplements if you want to, a good balanced diet is even better. I understand what you say about conditioning, but as explained this was never an issue for me. As regards you disagreeing with my method well you do what you think is best and I'll stick with what works, you need to visit quality forums Bibs or thunders place and read read read.
                triniwild
                Junior Member
                Last edited by triniwild; 06-18-2008, 02:49 PM.

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                • #9
                  Refere to post #6 which you obviously didn't read before you started ranting at Hairtrigger. And, by the way. Just because you have always had a healthy life style and eaten a balanced diet, doesn't give you a reason to be so smug.
                  Back off. You don't know everything.

                  The supplements I recommend are only to get the body healthy enough to replace some of the poor eating habits of todays young people and people on the go. Most people in todays society are vitamin defficient.
                  JonPop
                  Retired Sr. Administrator
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                  Last edited by JonPop; 06-18-2008, 02:54 PM.

                  I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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                  • #10
                    I will not appologize for pushing someones button when they get off on a rant that makes little sense. If you read back at the top of the page, this thread was asking about PE pills, not about your holier than thou diet and exercise plan that you are pushing. Most guy's in here have job's or go to school and don't have the luxury of living a healthy lifestyle like yours. We all know, whether you believe it or not, food can never be replaced directly with a supplement. That supplement is just what it say's it is. Maybe you need to start a thread on how to eat healthy?

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                    • #11
                      JonPop, I was referring to the bit under which he put my name??? By the way if those gains are not BS that's pretty amazing what you have achieved, well done.
                      Hairtrigger seems to think I should start a new thread. Well we established early on that PE pill are a waste of money so we've move the subject on? Can't be bothered with him, he obviously thinks I don't have a job and can spend all day working out an amazing diet. He doesn't make much sense to me either so I suppose we are even.
                      triniwild
                      Junior Member
                      Last edited by triniwild; 06-18-2008, 04:59 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Seem's like Triniwild is quite the expert. I think i'll take a look at some of his recent posts to learn more about his routine's.

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                        • #13
                          Even if we eat well, it is still difficult to boost the body with 500% of the RDA of vitamins such as in the B complex.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slanker View Post
                            Even if we eat well, it is still difficult to boost the body with 500% of the RDA of vitamins such as in the B complex.
                            Absolutely my point. Grab fast food. Open a box or a can throw it in the Microwave.
                            People that sit down to a home cooked meal are a rarity these days. We as a people are all undernourished, even though you couldn't tell by looking. Look at all the fat people, no disrespect intended, but the calories come from salt, fat and sugar.

                            I've got a Tiger by the tail.

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                            • #15
                              JonPop ,I think you are opening up a whole new can of worms with that one. The question becomes, should you really be doing PE in the first place if you are THAT out of shape or unhealthy??? Eating healthy and keeping in shape should be the first priority before you get into PE.
                              Unfortunately; we live in the everything NOW society. I agree with you that supplements can play a role if some guys just can't get their diet right, but it's their health in the long run which they will pay the consequences. The decision is always a personal one.
                              triniwild
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                              Last edited by triniwild; 06-19-2008, 03:53 AM.

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