Injecting PGE1 (Caverject) and Papaverine into the corpora cavernoa

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Hi everyone.

I'm buying chemicals now:

(from http://www.pharmacyescrow.com)

CAVERJECT PREFILLED SYRINGE 20MCG 5 $194.99 $194.99 remove
PAPAVERINE INJ 120MG 10X10ML $257.99 $257.99 remove

Subtotal
$495.98

Before I pull the trigger, I need some details:

1) Practical feedback from chemical PE-ers here concerning Ronielle's routine (or something similar) for injecting PGE1 and Papaverine (specifically 10 to 14 IUs of Papaverine added to one 20 mcg bottle of Caverject, he claims) into the bodies of the penis. I know how to inject using an insulin needle. I'm assuming that my total dose should be divided into two equal injections, one into the side of each body at the base. Ronielle has various increasing doses of the Caverject alone (85% erection) and more recently the Caverject with the Papaverine (95% erection, preferred). He has had to increase the amounts to keep the long 4+ hour erections. I'm still trying to determine the total volume of the mixture to be injected, or the equivalent amount in IUs. I read the value somewhere in his blog postings, but cannot find the number now. Can practictioners state their preferred ranges of volumes of this mixture to inject (and stay under 6 hours erection time)?

2) What does the Potaba/DMSO do? Is this for softening the tunica? Where is the best place to buy it?

3) Do you approve of my source in the link? Is there a better source? (I need to pay with MO.)

4) Does everyone use a silicon cock ring to do this? I want to use a package ring (I have a some leather cock rings and a package ring from Vacu-Tech, but they are not very comfortable), so that I can inject closer to the base and get the super-erection along the full length, but I'm concerned that the extra volume of tissue involving the scrotum will reduced the amount of PGE1 and Papaverine in the penis, reducing erection intensity.

5) What antihistamine should I buy in case I inject too much of the Caverject/Papaverine mixture and have to take some of the pressure out of my erection, prematurely? Are we talking about oral ones or injectable ones?

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[Jason - PE ! Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jason - PE !]

Injecting needles into your penis (lol) , dont know how someone can do that. If you want my advice id say stay manual and stop wanting to inject shit into your penis PLEASE.


Why do you feel the need to abuse your penis ?

[Pirate Retired AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Pirate]

Please tell me people don't really do this.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Since it looks pretty obvious that you don't really know what you're doing then maybe you shouldn't do it? But hey that's only my opinion!

[Waylander Retired ModeratorPEGym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Waylander]

I would need a shot to knock me out WAY before you could get near my dick with a needle

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

lol,say goodbye to your cock

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[millia Senior Member;PEGym Editor Find all posts View Profile Close millia]

Injecting ANYTHING into my penis is a big nono, even if it will make my dick 10" longer. Hell the eff no, no way, no how.

[Jackxxx Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Jackxxx]

Since it looks pretty obvious that you don't really know what you're doing then maybe you shouldn't do it? But hey that's only my opinion!

Well, this is the ONLY rational accurate reply on this thread. All the other ones are based on ignorance and emotions.

So I concur with CUSP82. If you are buying stuff to use, and you don't know how to use it yet, and looking for doses online to try it on your body, then go for it if you (humanly emotional) "want". However, based on reason and knowledge of experience, because I DO use chemicals on my cawk very successfully, I can tell you that there are 97% of probabilities that we will hear from you at the hospital, if you stay with your current plan.

Unless this thread is some sort of government setup.

[Waylander Retired ModeratorPEGym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Waylander]

All the other ones are based on ignorance and emotions.

Nothing at all ignorant about not wanting to stick a needle into your dick! Not everyone shares your opinion about the needle and in fact most of us cringe at the idea.
I think the guys that are fearful of it are using some pretty good common fucking sense!

Nothing wrong with guys experimenting(safely and legally) I guess, but I just can't for the life of me consider the needle.

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Nothing at all ignorant about not wanting to stick a needle into your dick! Not everyone shares your opinion about the needle and in fact most of us cringe at the idea.
I think the guys that are fearful of it are using some pretty good common fucking sense!

Nothing wrong with guys experimenting(safely and legally) I guess, but I just can't for the life of me consider the needle.

Your choice is much respected. However, not "wanting" needles is still something based on the "unknown"; the lack of knowledge. What humans "want" or "like" is superficial, while what is needed and necessary is rational. "fear" is an emotion based on the unknown too. Fear, is perfectly controllable when pure reason and logic is applied. For example, could you explain rationally, for what reason you "cannot" consider a needle?

There is a big important advantage with fear. Fear, makes you survive, when knowledge doesn't exist. In this case, if you didn't fear the needle, you most probably would buy a chemical and try it in your penis and end up in the hospital with a severe case of priapism. That's why in the military, the last thing that is kept in the soldier as part of the training, is his fear. That way he can survive. Only some elite and black ops. troops are trained different.

Still, the power of reason is on top of every single emotion. Reason, will always make the stronger and the fittest prevail over any other mortal creature on this planet. And chemicals, are the only way to go for REAL permanent penile growth.

Manual natural PE versus chemical PE, is like a bodybuilder drinking tea to grow and compete with those who use growth hormone and testosterone.

[Waylander Retired ModeratorPEGym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Waylander]

Your choice is much respected. However, not "wanting" needles is still something based on the "unknown"; the lack of knowledge. What humans "want" or "like" is superficial, while what is needed and necessary is rational. "fear" is an emotion based on the unknown too. Fear, is perfectly controllable when pure reason and logic is applied. For example, could you explain rationally, for what reason you "cannot" consider a needle?

Its not needed nor necessary to get the gains I want. Any reason why you speak as if your an alien?(not being a smart ass, I really want to know)

In this case, if you didn't fear the needle, you most probably would buy a chemical and try it in your penis and end up in the hospital with a severe case of priapism.

An assumption, and incorrect. Although I did at one time try andractim after long bouts with ED issues, and I considered that extreme.

And chemicals, are the only way to go for REAL permanent penile growth.

I look down and see over an inch of additional dick sticking out from manual PE, thats also very REAL. I see your technical reasoning about GROWTH, but I still don't agree that its the BEST approach.

Manual natural PE versus chemical PE, is like a bodybuilder drinking tea to grow and compete with those who use growth hormone and testosterone.

This is not a competition, and I still feel your method is not for me. Many men have acheived outstanding gains without the needles or the chemicals.
I have to say that YOUR reasoning for injectable chemical PE and the human fear of trying it just doesn't make sense to me. Some of us human's feel that hard work, and dedication with a manual routine is the safest way to go.

Now if you or the black ops guys want to give it a go, then I say its your body and your risk. lol

[millia Senior Member;PEGym Editor Find all posts View Profile Close millia]

Your choice is much respected. However, not "wanting" needles is still something based on the "unknown"; the lack of knowledge. What humans "want" or "like" is superficial, while what is needed and necessary is rational. "fear" is an emotion based on the unknown too. Fear, is perfectly controllable when pure reason and logic is applied. For example, could you explain rationally, for what reason you "cannot" consider a needle?

Well Mr. Pornstar, for starters it's not an emotion based off of fear of the unknown. I know what it feels like to be injected with something in different parts of my body. I can use what I know (based off experiences if you're not following along) to extrapolate that injecting something into my most prized possession would be very uncomfortable. I've also seen what can happen if you fail to inject something properly and end up infiltrating said area. I do not desire in any way to infiltrate my penis.

There is a big important advantage with fear. Fear, makes you survive, when knowledge doesn't exist. In this case, if you didn't fear the needle, you most probably would buy a chemical and try it in your penis and end up in the hospital with a severe case of priapism. That's why in the military, the last thing that is kept in the soldier as part of the training, is his fear. That way he can survive. Only some elite and black ops. troops are trained different.

It's not a fear of chemicals. I hold values ever since I attempted to overdose way back when that pills, chemicals or anything of the sort will not be used in my body. You think a couple hundred years ago they popped an advil to rid themselves of a headache? Nope. Wasn't around, so what use is it, only to temporarily take the pain away, to take drugs or chemicals? Even when I broke my foot and had hydrocodone and anti-inflammatories, I took them for one day and said fuck 'em. My body will do the work naturally. Chemical PE is no exception. I don't see a point in inject-n-pray. I'd rather do the work myself.

Still, the power of reason is on top of every single emotion. Reason, will always make the stronger and the fittest prevail over any other mortal creature on this planet. And chemicals, are the only way to go for REAL permanent penile growth.

You're totally right, the inch that I gained from manual is all an illusion. I have been wasting my time for the last 6 months. /End sarcasm
But see there's one niggling issue with this, I have yet to see any success stories from someone solely using chemical PE as a way of growth. Not withstanding that there's no proof to back that up as well. I haven't seen any studies or anything of the sort. Albeit I haven't researched it, and have no particular desire to do so either.

Manual natural PE versus chemical PE, is like a bodybuilder drinking tea to grow and compete with those who use growth hormone and testosterone.

Well I guess you have a point there, but if I was a bodybuilder then I wouldn't want to compete with people who have used a chemical to gain an unfair advantage, I would go for a more respectable and prestigious route, but hey different strokes for different folks. If you want to inject your penis with chemicals, go ahead it has no impact on me.

I also am with Waylander on one point, why do you talk as if you're an alien or as if whatever knowledge that you possess is so much greater then ours? As if you wrote the book or something on the subject. How do you know that whatever information you've read and "researched" on the subject isn't biased?

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Its not needed nor necessary to get the gains I want. Any reason why you speak as if your an alien?(not being a smart ass, I really want to know)

If it is not needed for you, Perfect. That is your logic decision. In order to answer your question, I need to know first how an alien speaks, and second, how do you know how an alien speaks.

An assumption, and incorrect. Although I did at one time try andractim after long bouts with ED issues, and I considered that extreme.

It is logically correct. Why not?

I look down and see over an inch of additional dick sticking out from manual PE, thats also very REAL. I see your technical reasoning about GROWTH, but I still don't agree that its the BEST approach.

Again this is like comparing bodybuilding. We, the ones who have bodybuilding experience, know that "natural bodybuilding" does not exist. The body muscle can grow a certain amount and reach a genetic potential that CANNOT be surpassed without chemicals that push the genes to the next level. Some will grow a little bit more naturally, others less. There is no difference in PE. Now if you DO NOT consider necessary to keep growing, that is your personal choice and that is part of your sacred freedom and must be respected.

This is not a competition, and I still feel your method is not for me. Many men have acheived outstanding gains without the needles or the chemicals.
I have to say that YOUR reasoning for injectable chemical PE and the human fear of trying it just doesn't make sense to me. Some of us human's feel that hard work, and dedication with a manual routine is the safest way to go.

What you feel is the perception provided by lack of knowledge. Please provide statistics of people injuring themselves with manual exercises, and then people injuring themselves with chemical PE. Mathematics will tell which one is the safest.

Now if you or the black ops guys want to give it a go, then I say its your body and your risk. lol

That's what is all about. Personal choice. Freedom, Liberty. BUT, based on reason, not emotions.

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Well Mr. Pornstar, for starters it's not an emotion based off of fear of the unknown. I know what it feels like to be injected with something in different parts of my body. I can use what I know (based off experiences if you're not following along) to extrapolate that injecting something into my most prized possession would be very uncomfortable. I've also seen what can happen if you fail to inject something properly and end up infiltrating said area. I do not desire in any way to infiltrate my penis.

Correct. However, in your answer you are using 90% reason. Is just that nobody teach humans what is reason and what is emotions. If through a process of logic and reason you have determined that based on the previous experiences, the negatives in your case outweigh the positives, then it is safer for you to stay away. Still, the remaining emotions put in your decision, can be manipulated through the use of reason. For example, the "uncomfortable" process.

It's not a fear of chemicals. I hold values ever since I attempted to overdose way back when that pills, chemicals or anything of the sort will not be used in my body. You think a couple hundred years ago they popped an advil to rid themselves of a headache? Nope. Wasn't around, so what use is it, only to temporarily take the pain away, to take drugs or chemicals? Even when I broke my foot and had hydrocodone and anti-inflammatories, I took them for one day and said fuck 'em. My body will do the work naturally. Chemical PE is no exception. I don't see a point in inject-n-pray. I'd rather do the work myself.
You're totally right, the inch that I gained from manual is all an illusion. I have been wasting my time for the last 6 months. /End sarcasm
But see there's one niggling issue with this, I have yet to see any success stories from someone solely using chemical PE as a way of growth. Not withstanding that there's no proof to back that up as well. I haven't seen any studies or anything of the sort. Albeit I haven't researched it, and have no particular desire to do so either.

This sentence pretty much brilliantly summarize the absolute lack of knowledge I am talking about. From your sentence I can deduce things such as: "chemicals exist to fix, but we should let our bodies fix themselves." Well, that is not accurate. Chemicals do not exist to fix. Is just that 90% of humans have degenerated the specie, so now we have to fix them with the existent chemicals. But in reality, chemicals are to enhance, and improve what is already working close to perfection. Then, based on your own conclusions, the penis should remain the same size as it is when we are born, because all those chemicals that you are born with and produce in your body don't work. So growing up, developing, and becoming an adult human, under your knowledge is a magical thing that we have to pray each night to happen; because growth hormone, testosterone, dht, dhea, have no effect at all on penis size right?

You will not see success stories yet, because NOBODY has come with a brilliant plan to replicate puberty and adolescence exactly as it happens. I have written the plan and treatment, which of course would never post in a public forum.

Well I guess you have a point there, but if I was a bodybuilder then I wouldn't want to compete with people who have used a chemical to gain an unfair advantage, I would go for a more respectable and prestigious route, but hey different strokes for different folks. If you want to inject your penis with chemicals, go ahead it has no impact on me.

why using a chemical is an "unfair advantage"? (of course using reason)

I also am with Waylander on one point, why do you talk as if you're an alien or as if whatever knowledge that you possess is so much greater then ours? As if you wrote the book or something on the subject. How do you know that whatever information you've read and "researched" on the subject isn't biased?

Again, you guys are brilliant! how come you all know how an alien speaks?
If humans keep that thinking, will never succeed as a civilization. Just a few who thought "outside of the box" where the ones who made possible space exploration. Before going to space, doctors said that humans would have problems seeing, swallowing, digesting. That space was not safe. The research of early NASA engineers could have been "biased".