optimal testosterone

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Originally Posted by Tamora

What is it with you that you have to get insulting when someone disagrees with you? This is the second time I've had to comment about this in as many days!

Don't turn interesting and educational threads into slanging matches. Make your point like an adult!

I strongly suggest you edit your post to take the backhanded insult out!

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Why are you jumping on my case? I don't see you going after anyone that has been giving me a hard time on here.

In case you haven't noticed I like to debate. I like to point out bullshit for what it is and argue with facts, not fallacies and personal opinions.

I edit my posts when I make ad hominems, because those personal attacks are beneath me. I won't edit my post above until you look at his posts again.

Have a nice day :)

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Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

Why are you jumping on my case? I don't see you going after anyone that has been giving me a hard time on here.

In case you haven't noticed I like to debate. I like to point out bullshit for what it is and argue with facts, not fallacies and personal opinions.

I edit my posts when I make ad hominems, because those personal attacks are beneath me. I won't edit my post above until you look at his posts again.

Have a nice day :)

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Your choice.

Just earned yourself two infractions, one for the original post and one for refusing to edit.

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Originally Posted by Tamora

Your choice.

Just earned yourself two infractions, one for the original post and one for refusing to edit.

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You gave me fucking five points in two infractions!? You're a real peace of work Tamora.

I used to respect you as a moderator, and I thought you were the type of guy to send me a PM when you had an issue with me. I would had no problems talking to you and editing my post if you took a minute to listen to my side. I would have even apologized to him if you asked me, if only to make amends over a stupid argument. But no, I only hear from you when you have a problem with me and you feel the need to dish out punishment.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

You gave me fucking five points in two infractions!? You're a real peace of work Tamora.

I used to respect you as a moderator, and I thought you were the type of guy to send me a PM when you had an issue with me. I would had no problems talking to you and editing my post if you took a minute to listen to my side. I would have even apologized to him if you asked me, if only to make amends over a stupid argument. But no, I only hear from you when you have a problem with me and you feel the need to dish out punishment.

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Carry on in this manner and you'll get a vacation.

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Originally Posted by Tamora

Carry on in this manner and you'll get a vacation.

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Don't threaten me. You PM if you want to talk.

I'm not going to respond to you in the public threads.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatDivider

Don't threaten me. You PM if you want to talk.

I'm not going to respond to you in the public threads.

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It's not a threat, it's what is going to happen if you carry on in the same manner, refusing to edit a post when requested and then insulting me.

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Originally Posted by Ponto

In genetics when you move pieces of dna and place them in parts of the chromosomes usually leads to unwanted changes, the overproductions of certain proteins, the synergistic effect of producing harmful products, activating dormant introns...it is best not to fuck to much with nature. The reason the plants need less pesticides is that they have toxic elements in the plants to kill the insects. Greater yields leads to what: greater usage of articifial fertilizers, greater degradation of arable land. There is no magic bullet here, it comes with a bill which has to be paid eventually.

Anyhow I see, I am beating a dead horse here, if you have pecuniary interests in GMO products you should fess up. And enjoy your GMO harvest, but eating healthy does not include eating artificial foods that cannot be certified organic and are put in products that the purchaser may not want in those products.

I will say no more. God bless America, the land of the free.

I went to Melbourne University and Deakin University, and they are considered good universities, and they cost a lot of money. There is no need to be an arsehole just because someone does not agree with you. I will ignore you.

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I was in class when you posted this but I would like to point a few things out.

1. Atomic gardening gave us the ruby red grapefruit through radioactive isotopes altering chromosomes in white grapefruits, which is technically a GMO food and is considered safe to eat.

2. There are controlled methods of GMO like CRISPR that produce less unwanted effects and more resistance to natural fungi and weather conditions.

3. Glyphosphate (Round-Up) is an herbicide not a pesticide so the Round-Up resistant crops are spliced with insecticide.

4. You insinuated that I wanted to argue with you over GMOs from the start, which seems to be some hot button issue with you. I could care less what you put in your mouth but I will argue with you when you spread misinformation.

5. If you wanted to win I guess you did.

Okay so what about testosterone?

Hey guys have you been reading this? Okay there was a brief commercial interruption but there's great info here.

Ok so lets recap.
Low normal levels of testosterone (test) are negative to quality of life . Most guys need 500 plus total test to function well.
The main positive of supra normal test levels is muscle building it has little further effect on libido etc than upper normal . There are also negative health effects.
So that leave levels between 500 and 1100 to look at in regard to what is "optimal".

Rational discussion on this is hard to come by , there seems a disconnect between chest thumping roid heads on one side and docs saying 350 is fine on the other .
The roid heads say the docs are fools unconcerned with quality of life and the docs say the roiders are crazy drug addicts endangering their lives .
My view is they are both right .

There is a more moderate view in the medical community and the general community involving levels between 500 and 1100 and I have tried to show that argument . Furthermore i wish to develop it further .