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    First lets look at average .

    The following total and free testosterone ranges, indicate the downwards trend as men age.
    Average Hormone Levels by Age in Men

    Unit Conversion Calculator

    Vermeulen, A. (1996). Declining Androgens with Age: An Overview. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, & B. J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 3-14). New York: Parthenon Publishing.
    Measurements in SI Units
    21.4 428 35.5 6.4 137
    23.1 356 40.1 6.0 134
    21.0 314 44.6 4.8 142
    19.5 288 45.5 3.2 129
    18.2 239 48.7 2.6 132
    16.3 207 51.0 1.2 139
    13.0 186 65.9 1.2 136
    Measurements in Conventional Units
    617 123 4.0 236 37.3
    668 103 4.5 221 36.5
    606 90 5.0 177 38.7
    562 83 5.1 118 35.1
    524 69 5.5 96 36.0
    471 60 5.7 44 37.9
    376 54 7.4 44 37.1
    Testosterone Level Ranges by Age (Non-Diabetic)

    Simon, D., Nahoul, K., & Charles M.A. (1996). Sex Hormones, Aging, Ethnicity and Insulin Sensivity in Men: An Overview of the TELECOM Study. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, and B. J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 85-102). New York: Parthenon Publishing.
    Measurements in SI Units
    24.2 14.2 33.1
    22.1 13.5 34.8
    20.7 12.1 33.8
    19.7 11.4 32.8
    20.7 11.0 32.4
    18.3 11.4 29.3
    17.9 10.0 32.4
    19.0 11.0 30.0
    Measurements in Conventional Units
    697 408 956
    637 388 1005
    597 348 75
    567 329 945
    597 319 936
    527 329 846
    518 289 936
    547 319 866
    Male Testosterone Levels in an Unhealthy Population

    Depending on the lab your doctor uses, male testosterone levels typically range between 250ng/dl and 850 ng/dl.
    As you may well imagine, these ranges are not set to optimal levels. They are from a cross section of men aged 20 to 80; many of whom may be sick or diseased, from a lifetime of unhealthy habits.

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    So if your doc tells you your 350 total testosterone is normal he is correct . It is of course average for a guy in his 80's and your dick may act like it is in it's 80's . But hey as far as many docs are concerned it is normal and not life threatening so he is not concerned .
    Of course some docs are concerned as it probably reduces quality of life . So there is an argument in mainstream medical at this time on this question .
    Thing is I am less concerned about docs and more about the welfare of members so I welcome input.

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    • #3
      Have not even looked into this, but I feel I am declining in this regard. Is there a way to supplement or reverse this; without prescription chemicals/drugs?

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      • #4
        When I was 70, my Endocrinologist (a doc specializing in the harmone system) advised me that my 290 total T was in the acceptical range and recommended against testosterone replacement.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by not2big View Post
          When I was 70, my Endocrinologist (a doc specializing in the harmone system) advised me that my 290 total T was in the acceptical range and recommended against testosterone replacement.
          Lol.
          My view in post 2.
          There are many factors I would consider before I called it acceptable . The first would have been do you want a sex life?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MPolo View Post
            Have not even looked into this, but I feel I am declining in this regard. Is there a way to supplement or reverse this; without prescription chemicals/drugs?
            Here are 100 odd methods there are more.

            https://www.pegym.com/forums/exercis...tosterone.html

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            • #7
              Different guys seem to need different amounts of testosterone (test) in them to function well .
              That said my experience both personal and on the boards is that levels under 500 are very likely to cause negative effects . Now let me qualify that ;if you are 80y and your test is 400 and your dick doesn't work you may think this is normal and nothing to worry about . I am fine with that .

              On the other hand if your test is 350 and you are 25y and your dick is acting like you are 80y it would not surprise me . It would concern me and likely you .

              So here is a worrying thing if you go to the graph that shows average test level it shows average stays over 500 past 60y . There is a worry though if one looks at the bottom 5% it is under 500 from an early age .

              How can this be why aren't masses of guys screaming about it. Well several factors . Firstly if a guy has had this all his life it is normal for him. Hey he is just a low energy low libido guy yada yada . Second it is not the sort of thing a guy shouts from the rooftop . Thirdly when they go to the doc complaining of ed lack of libido lack of energy etc the are told their test is normal and give Viagra .

              Now as to why .
              How many guys these days get 8hrs sleep a night eat all the fruit and veg they should get a ton of exercise fresh air and sunshine ?
              That is before we talk chemical pollutants etc.

              Update this article has some info especially on pollunants.
              https://www.pegym.com/articles/why-m...an-ever-before
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              Last edited by Pegasus; 02-23-2021, 04:03 PM.

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              • #8
                I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


                I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

                Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 15yrsED View Post
                  I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


                  I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

                  Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?
                  Yes .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 15yrsED View Post
                    I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


                    I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

                    Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?
                    Sorry , I mean . No, yes ,yes.

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                    • #11
                      I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?
                      There's are many factors that may be causing lower testosterone and fertility rates in men including but not limited to obesity, plasrics in the water, Atrazine, NSAIDs, a general lack of exercise, sleep, and poor diet, as well as dependence on cellphones linked to a lack of interest in sex. None of these are the exact cause just probable causes and more research is needed.

                      All we know for certain is that compared to other countries many first world men have lower testosterone, more body fat, are less interested in sex, exercise less, sleep less, eat more processed foods and sodas, and spend far more time on their electronic devices.
                      Sex is the great leveler, taste the great divider. - Pauline Kael

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                      • #12
                        My doctor gave me a script for Viagra, I don't have ED and never complained of a lack of libido. I guess Viagra is the panacea for older men no matter what the older men is complaining about. I have never used Viagra, and don't intend to.

                        I don't wish to judge those men who choose to use Steroids or Testosterone replacement therapy, as they have problems which affect them greatly. I have never suffered from ED so I don't know how it would affect them, same with low libido. And a patch or injection is easier than losing 30 kg of weight, doing weight bearing exercises or eating lots of expensive organic foods, and the patch or injection will work fairly quickly. What would I do if I had ED or low libido or I felt like a dried out old scrote with no zest for life? Sex is important to me, if I can't do it, I might as well call it quits. There is no point living just to get old, shriveled and degenerated.
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                        • #13
                          So I have researched the question what is optimal test level . Certainly supra normal levels can lead to health issues .

                          So that leaves levels over 500 and less than 1100 . I have some research that can shed further light within this range.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pegasus View Post
                            So if your doc tells you your 350 total testosterone is normal he is correct . It is of course average for a guy in his 80's and your dick may act like it is in it's 80's . But hey as far as many docs are concerned it is normal and not life threatening so he is not concerned .
                            Of course some docs are concerned as it probably reduces quality of life . So there is an argument in mainstream medical at this time on this question .
                            Thing is I am less concerned about docs and more about the welfare of members so I welcome input.
                            +1

                            There's a lot of stigmatization around TRT. I think a lot of docs underestimate the psychological damage that can have low T and ED on men.

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                            • #15
                              I'm going to my GP for another testosterone test tomorrow morning. Is there any other hormones I should get checked??

                              Also I go to the gym and lift weights and have been doing it for 10 yrs or more. However I always found it hard to put on muscle. I would get a little stronger but you wouldnt really see any change in my body shape. I know guy who put on tons of muscle really easily. I seem to get very little returns for my efforts. I wonder if lowish testosterone has been my downfall all along.

                              My GP told me that testosterone patches etc boost your chances of prostate/testicular cancer.

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