optimal testosterone

First lets look at average .

The following total and free testosterone ranges, indicate the downwards trend as men age.
Average Hormone Levels by Age in Men

Unit Conversion Calculator

Vermeulen, A. (1996). Declining Androgens with Age: An Overview. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, & B. J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 3-14). New York: Parthenon Publishing.

Measurements in SI Units

Age	Total T (nmol/L)	Free T (pmol/L)	SHBG (nmol/L)	DHEA-S (umol/L)	Estradiol (pmol/L)
25-34	21.4	428	35.5	6.4	137
35-44	23.1	356	40.1	6.0	134
45-54	21.0	314	44.6	4.8	142
55-64	19.5	288	45.5	3.2	129
65-74	18.2	239	48.7	2.6	132
75-84	16.3	207	51.0	1.2	139
85-100	13.0	186	65.9	1.2	136

Measurements in Conventional Units

Age	Total T (ng/dl)	Free T (pg/ml)	SHBG (ug/ml)	DHEA-S (ug/dl)	Estradiol (pg/ml)
25-34	617	123	4.0	236	37.3
35-44	668	103	4.5	221	36.5
45-54	606	90	5.0	177	38.7
55-64	562	83	5.1	118	35.1
65-74	524	69	5.5	96	36.0
75-84	471	60	5.7	44	37.9
85-100	376	54	7.4	44	37.1

Testosterone Level Ranges by Age (Non-Diabetic)

Simon, D., Nahoul, K., & Charles M.A. (1996). Sex Hormones, Aging, Ethnicity and Insulin Sensivity in Men: An Overview of the TELECOM Study. In Vermeulen, A. & Oddens, and B. J. (Eds.), Androgens and the Aging Male (pp. 85-102). New York: Parthenon Publishing.

Measurements in SI Units

Age	Average Total Testosterone (nmol/L)	5th Percentile Total Testosterone (nmol/L)	95th Percentile Total Testosterone (nmol/L)
< 25	24.2	14.2	33.1
25-29	22.1	13.5	34.8
30-34	20.7	12.1	33.8
35-39	19.7	11.4	32.8
40-44	20.7	11.0	32.4
45-49	18.3	11.4	29.3
50-54	17.9	10.0	32.4
55-59	19.0	11.0	30.0

Measurements in Conventional Units

Age	Average Total Testosterone (ng/dl)	5th Percentile Total Testosterone (ng/dl)	95th Percentile Total Testosterone (ng/dl)
< 25	697	408	956
25-29	637	388	1005
30-34	597	348	75
35-39	567	329	945
40-44	597	319	936
45-49	527	329	846
50-54	518	289	936
55-59	547	319	866

Male Testosterone Levels in an Unhealthy Population

Depending on the lab your doctor uses, male testosterone levels typically range between 250ng/dl and 850 ng/dl.
As you may well imagine, these ranges are not set to optimal levels. They are from a cross section of men aged 20 to 80; many of whom may be sick or diseased, from a lifetime of unhealthy habits.

So if your doc tells you your 350 total testosterone is normal he is correct . It is of course average for a guy in his 80's and your dick may act like it is in it's 80's . But hey as far as many docs are concerned it is normal and not life threatening so he is not concerned .
Of course some docs are concerned as it probably reduces quality of life . So there is an argument in mainstream medical at this time on this question .
Thing is I am less concerned about docs and more about the welfare of members so I welcome input.

Have not even looked into this, but I feel I am declining in this regard. Is there a way to supplement or reverse this; without prescription chemicals/drugs?

When I was 70, my Endocrinologist (a doc specializing in the harmone system) advised me that my 290 total T was in the acceptical range and recommended against testosterone replacement.

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Originally Posted by not2big

When I was 70, my Endocrinologist (a doc specializing in the harmone system) advised me that my 290 total T was in the acceptical range and recommended against testosterone replacement.

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Lol.
My view in post 2.
There are many factors I would consider before I called it acceptable . The first would have been do you want a sex life?

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Originally Posted by MPolo

Have not even looked into this, but I feel I am declining in this regard. Is there a way to supplement or reverse this; without prescription chemicals/drugs?

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Here are 100 odd methods there are more.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/exercis...tosterone.html

Different guys seem to need different amounts of testosterone (test) in them to function well .
That said my experience both personal and on the boards is that levels under 500 are very likely to cause negative effects . Now let me qualify that ;if you are 80y and your test is 400 and your dick doesn't work you may think this is normal and nothing to worry about . I am fine with that .

On the other hand if your test is 350 and you are 25y and your dick is acting like you are 80y it would not surprise me . It would concern me and likely you .

So here is a worrying thing if you go to the graph that shows average test level it shows average stays over 500 past 60y . There is a worry though if one looks at the bottom 5% it is under 500 from an early age .

How can this be why aren't masses of guys screaming about it. Well several factors . Firstly if a guy has had this all his life it is normal for him. Hey he is just a low energy low libido guy yada yada . Second it is not the sort of thing a guy shouts from the rooftop . Thirdly when they go to the doc complaining of ed lack of libido lack of energy etc the are told their test is normal and give Viagra .

Now as to why .
How many guys these days get 8hrs sleep a night eat all the fruit and veg they should get a ton of exercise fresh air and sunshine ?
That is before we talk chemical pollutants etc.

I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?

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Originally Posted by 15yrsED

I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?

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Yes .

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Originally Posted by 15yrsED

I didn't really develop a libido until age 14. I rubbed my dick for the sensation from age 10 but couldn't masturbate conventionally until I was 14.5 yrs old. Had no erections issues until I was 19. I get very surprised when I hear guys talking about masturbating age from much earlier ages eg. 7 or 8. Am I abnormal?


I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

Also is it possible to go from 337 to 600 with natural methods?

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Sorry , I mean . No, yes ,yes.

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I have just read that men worldwide are becoming more infertile and read about plastics. I also read how it lowers testosterone. I wonder if this had anything to do with me?

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There's are many factors that may be causing lower testosterone and fertility rates in men including but not limited to obesity, plasrics in the water, Atrazine, NSAIDs, a general lack of exercise, sleep, and poor diet, as well as dependence on cellphones linked to a lack of interest in sex. None of these are the exact cause just probable causes and more research is needed.

All we know for certain is that compared to other countries many first world men have lower testosterone, more body fat, are less interested in sex, exercise less, sleep less, eat more processed foods and sodas, and spend far more time on their electronic devices.

My doctor gave me a script for Viagra, I don't have ED and never complained of a lack of libido. I guess Viagra is the panacea for older men no matter what the older men is complaining about. I have never used Viagra, and don't intend to.

I don't wish to judge those men who choose to use Steroids or Testosterone replacement therapy, as they have problems which affect them greatly. I have never suffered from ED so I don't know how it would affect them, same with low libido. And a patch or injection is easier than losing 30 kg of weight, doing weight bearing exercises or eating lots of expensive organic foods, and the patch or injection will work fairly quickly. What would I do if I had ED or low libido or I felt like a dried out old scrote with no zest for life? Sex is important to me, if I can't do it, I might as well call it quits. There is no point living just to get old, shriveled and degenerated.

So I have researched the question what is optimal test level . Certainly supra normal levels can lead to health issues .

So that leaves levels over 500 and less than 1100 . I have some research that can shed further light within this range.

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Originally Posted by Pegasus

So if your doc tells you your 350 total testosterone is normal he is correct . It is of course average for a guy in his 80's and your dick may act like it is in it's 80's . But hey as far as many docs are concerned it is normal and not life threatening so he is not concerned .
Of course some docs are concerned as it probably reduces quality of life . So there is an argument in mainstream medical at this time on this question .
Thing is I am less concerned about docs and more about the welfare of members so I welcome input.

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+1

There's a lot of stigmatization around TRT. I think a lot of docs underestimate the psychological damage that can have low T and ED on men.

I'm going to my GP for another testosterone test tomorrow morning. Is there any other hormones I should get checked??

Also I go to the gym and lift weights and have been doing it for 10 yrs or more. However I always found it hard to put on muscle. I would get a little stronger but you wouldnt really see any change in my body shape. I know guy who put on tons of muscle really easily. I seem to get very little returns for my efforts. I wonder if lowish testosterone has been my downfall all along.

My GP told me that testosterone patches etc boost your chances of prostate/testicular cancer.

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Originally Posted by clear0cn

+1

There's a lot of stigmatization around TRT. I think a lot of docs underestimate the psychological damage that can have low T and ED on men.

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You can also lose your job and your relationship in short your whole life . The low energy effects alone can be devastating . That said much low T can be cured by concerted application of natural methods.

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Originally Posted by 15yrsED

I'm going to my GP for another testosterone test tomorrow morning. Is there any other hormones I should get checked??

Also I go to the gym and lift weights and have been doing it for 10 yrs or more. However I always found it hard to put on muscle. I would get a little stronger but you wouldnt really see any change in my body shape. I know guy who put on tons of muscle really easily. I seem to get very little returns for my efforts. I wonder if lowish testosterone has been my downfall all along.

My GP told me that testosterone patches etc boost your chances of prostate/testicular cancer.

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Test is one factor in the building of muscle it may be implicated in your case .

The overall health effects of increased test are still subject to study however some understanding can be drawn .
The prostate etc link is not that clearly established estrogen may be more involved and is worth testing for.

I will comment on effects within the 500 to 1100 range in an upcoming post.

The top 5% maintain test level in the 900's into middle age . So one thinks most of these would have better diet and exercise patterns . So one assumes the better health has more to do with high test than visa verca but sttttiiilll hmmm. Getting away from pua style alpha male bunkum these guys do have better health . Thee downside of high test levels seems to be risk taking behaviour .
So this begs the question what is the ideal range ? I have long thought it is over 500 and my doc said 500 to 700 but certainly some tout the benefits of levels in excess of 700 . Actual science on the benefits of levels over 700 seems hard to come by . Lots of chest beating roid heads and pua out there but little rational science.

Ok just had my blood taken and will hear back in a week. They are testing total testosterone, SHBG, Albumin aswell, and from that they say they will be able to work out my free testosterone through an online calculator.

There are 3 or 4 docs in my medical centre and I asked this doc about my results and she said again they were fine (11.7 nMol/L) = 337 I think.


In 2006 I was diagnosed with venous leak. If somehow I got my testosterone to 700 would that cure my problem?

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Originally Posted by 15yrsED

Ok just had my blood taken and will hear back in a week. They are testing total testosterone, SHBG, Albumin aswell, and from that they say they will be able to work out my free testosterone through an online calculator.

There are 3 or 4 docs in my medical centre and I asked this doc about my results and she said again they were fine (11.7 nMol/L) = 337 I think.


In 2006 I was diagnosed with venous leak. If somehow I got my testosterone to 700 would that cure my problem?

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Much venous leak disappears with increased test. There is no guarante .

So your test level is that of an 80Year old and your dick acts like it is 80 years old .
It's not life threatening so the docs are ok with it . Bet they will give you Viagra.