IC muscle. Immediate, amazing results. Why?

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Some quick background:

27, M, have struggled with hemorrhoids for a long time, which left me with a subconscious constant clenching of my kegel muscle. I didn't realize that I flexed the muscle all day every day until I decided to get into kegel exercises. This led me to focus on relaxing the muscle in daily life, while following a gentle kegel/reverse kegel routine which I thought would help my issues with low libido and poor erections.

Understood quickly that even careful kegeling is counterproductive and leaves me with no effect other than an immense urge to pee. These issues, paired with a bad porn habit and performance anxiety, led me to take my sexual health seriously and I dug into the literature on all things erection related, and I came over a guide for locating and training the IC (ischiocavernosus) muscle

I tried it, and with the help of some additional guides for locating the IC muscle, felt I was able to. Immediately after some flexing I got a rock solid erection. Tried some more and it got so intense I though I would orgasm. I'm fairly certain my pelvic floor is completely messed up, and after this, hopeful that training the IC will help balance things out. But I don't understand the immediacy and intensity of the effects after some short flexes of the muscle.

This was yesterday, and I tried again today with some longer flexes, and I almost had a hands free orgasm, stomach shaking and all, which has never happened during O before. Most intense thing I’ve felt in that regard.
Anyone with some knowledge of the anatomy have any thoughts about the mechanisms at play here?

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This muscle has come up from time to time but interest has fizzled out , until recently . Now there is a lot of work being done this is the best thread on it .

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-...s-power-3.html

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Very nice guide! Still kind of interested if anyone has any notion of why activating this muscle leads to this intense response. Not really worried, just hope I'm not screwing with something which shouldn't be screwed with.

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Hello dents !

Can you please explain what did you do exactly to target the IC muscle ? Thank you

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Hello dents !

Can you please explain what did you do exactly to target the IC muscle ? Thank you

I stumbled upon the topic and a nice guide here:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/PIED/commen..._peed_and_low/

OR
https://www.pegym.com/forums/erectil...ml#post1645540

At first I thought this was just a mild kegel, and a waste of time. But I tried it and the immediate effect indicated something else was going on. I read someplace else that the flex is kind of like the head of a turtle retracting inwards, focusing on the head of penis and gently "pushing" inwards. This visualization helped, along with the slight contraction at the base of the penis, and feeling how incredibly weak that spot was.

Kind of difficult to explain when I'm fairly unfamiliar with my own pelvis, but i feel a distinct difference from an ordinary kegel both in the strenght (lack of) and effect of the exercise. Would recommend taking it slow though. Went kinda nuts earlier today from excitement and now I have some discomfort in my right groin area. Will take it easier from now so I dont overdo it.

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So our users can read that post, with out going to reddit...
(I've spell checked it)

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Posted by u/MasterOfFineFarts 2 years ago

]Ischiocavernosus (IC muscle) cured my PE,ED and low libido

Hi there. Want to get this out to as many desperate people out there as possible. So I found this subreddit and decided to copy my post here as well. Here is my post from erectiledysfunction subreddit:
"I am here to help as many guys out there as possible. What I am doing fixes the problems for me. It may or may not help you as well. But you should try out my suggestions and will find out on day 1, if you have this problem or not.
Do you also have lifelong ED or partial ED, PE and bad erection angle? Have you tried Kegels bit they did not help in the long run? Do you always tense part of your pelvic floor during masturbation and your problems got slowly worse during the last years or decades.
You may have the same issue that I have! If that is the case, there is an easy fix if you know exactly what to focus on. You have to find your IC muscle, which may be very difficult the first 2-3 times!
Why are Kegels not helping me or maybe you? => if you have a muscle disbalance in the pelvic floor, your IC muscle may be extremely weak. It is keeping the blood inside the penis, thus holding erection, and increases erection angle. You PC and BC muscles are probably so strong, that they partly take over the work for the IC... BUT THEY DO A VERY BAD JOB! If you kegel and have a very low muscle tone of the IC ( i talk from my experience solely) it is nearly impossible to flex it. The IC gets trained first a little, but the PC and BC are alway getting much more stonger. The result: Erection quality first increases in first week, then stays the same and keeps decreasing again.
What I had to do: Find the IC muscle and isolate it. Relax the BC and PC. they already are overly strong, so no more regular kegels.
How I found it: If you flex the IC muscle, the penis twitches or is pulled inwards slightly. When erect or partially erect, the IC makes the penis jump up. But beware! If you flex more, the weak IC muscle does not get flexed more. Instead you only increase the tension in the BC muscle and you will only THINK that you flex the IC stronger. It is very very difficult to differentiate these two muscles because they are so close to each other. Especially when the muscle is weak, you will not know the sensation of flexed IC. What I did was doing something like a mini kegel. Only tighten your pelvic floor so ridiculously weak, that you only feel a slight sensation beside or directly on top of your penis base, where it comes out of the pelvis. Don't tense so hard, that you feel your pelvic floor moving. Keep the very slight tension. You may think that you only imagine some feeling above your penis when holding the weak tension. This is because the IC is so weak, that you dont even register it flexing. I doubted that I flexed any muscle at all, until that happened: If you keep the tension around 30-40 seconds, your penis may shake uncontrollably in- and outwards when the IC becomes weak.
Congratulation. You just found your IC maybe for the very first time. see how ridiculously weak it is? If you did what I wrote and experienced just the same, this is the muscle that you have to focus on!
What happened to me on day 1: uncontrollable hard erection for the very first time after doing 5 minutes of IC Flexing. I did not even have ro flex the pelvic floor. It simply stood by itself and was harder and fleshier at the same time.... BINGO! found you, lazy "mothafucka" muscle ;-). If the same applies to you, you will probably register sudden improvement within only a few minutes after these "experiment"! It is really a Eureca moment... And it made me literally cry out of joy at that moment.
Afterwards I did a lot of tests the next days to see what helps. The improvements I mention are kicking in DIRECTLY after training.. Not hours, but minutes! I did only 1 of these tests on one day, 2 days apart just to Be sure.

• IC training only: VERY BIG IMPROVEMENT
• Reverse kegel only: SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT
• RK + IC training: BEST IMPROVEMENT!
• KEGEL training: NO IMPROVEMENT AT ALL

So reverse kegel helped me quite a bit. But after several tests it is clear that my weak IC muscle is the primary reason. It is also clear to me that this muscle became so "hidden" to me, that i nearly never used it.... So it had to become weaker. For the first time of my life I feel this sensation of the IC flexing. You will start to feel it after a training session, when the muscle gets tired. Also after several days of training it gets better and you can really pull your penis inwards strongly.
If your IC gets stronger, you can train with an erection by letting the penis jump (try to not flex the BC muscle, which always happens when you try to flex too strongly) . Also to increase training effect, you can apply resistance by slightly pushing the penis down against the IC flexion. If you lose erection, try to get it up again and repeat. I cannot recommend any training time, but for the beginning a couple of minutes seem to be enough. You will feel it when this muscle gets worn out and have to decide yourself when to stop.
I was at a business trip in France when I found this out. Trained for 3 weeks. When I came back to my wife, I had so incredible sex... My wife asked me what the hell happened during my business trip. She thought that I cheated her. When I told her, she asked me to definitely keep on training :-). I am still in recovery but every weak the problem gets better. I still cant believe that after all these years I managed to really pull it off... Find that damn reason for my problems.
Thank you, community. Also i want to thank my wife from the bottom of my heart for her warmth and support. She did stay with me although I was a weak 30 seconds man. Find someone that really loves you like my wife does me. Also thanks Paris... You are a beautiful town.
And I don't want to thank the urologists that kept me hanging (literally) ;-) "

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Be careful not to overdo ic kegel by doing too much all at once . Ic spasm is implicated in nasty injuries .

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I stumbled upon the topic and a nice guide here:
https://amp.reddit.com/r/PIED/commen..._peed_and_low/

OR
https://www.pegym.com/forums/erectil...ml#post1645540

At first I thought this was just a mild kegel, and a waste of time. But I tried it and the immediate effect indicated something else was going on. I read someplace else that the flex is kind of like the head of a turtle retracting inwards, focusing on the head of penis and gently "pushing" inwards. This visualization helped, along with the slight contraction at the base of the penis, and feeling how incredibly weak that spot was.

Kind of difficult to explain when I'm fairly unfamiliar with my own pelvis, but i feel a distinct difference from an ordinary kegel both in the strenght (lack of) and effect of the exercise. Would recommend taking it slow though. Went kinda nuts earlier today from excitement and now I have some discomfort in my right groin area. Will take it easier from now so I dont overdo it.

Thanks ! Ive seen that thread, actually I am currently on 5 min IK flexes followed by 5 min RKs. Do you have any routine currently ?

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Can you tell me how long do you hold the flex? I mean if your training is 5 minutes do you break it down to 30 flexes 10 seconds each or do you do it for longer let's say a minute or two.The guy in the reddit posts says that after 40 seconds your penis starts to shake. Do you actually hold the flex for 40 seconds?

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I stumbled upon this thread a couple days ago, and I'm glad I did. I woke up this morning with wood so strong, I thought I was wearing my cockring. Then I noticed my CS felt like it was being stretched... and no ring.

I followed the instructions in the thread linked above, with one additional detail, which was that I pulled my abs upward, and it made locating and isolating the IC much easier. I'm using the same protocol for building it as I used when I did my kegeling routine for head engorgment:

3 sets of 5-10 flexes at about 50% force to get it warmed up
3 sets of 10, flexing it as hard as I can without engaging anything else for two seconds, backing off to about 50%, and then back to 100%. I haven't made it through a complete set yet, but I'm already seeing improvement

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Can you explain further what you mean pulling your abs upward?

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Sit up straight and try to pull your belly button up into your rib cage. If you manually stretch your dick straight down and do it, the pull gets really intense at the base (if you need sensory feedback to confirm you're doing it right).

It just felt easier for me to pull my abs up and flex to pull my dick straight in. After a couple of days practicing zoning in on it, it doesn't seem to matter much any more.

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Finally made it through a full set last night, so I got to thinking "how am I going to use progressive overload for this?"

Just now got done working it again, pulling against a light straight-out stretch. Great workout. I could really feel the muscles tensing hard. The feedback from it pulling against your grip gives you good focus on what's going on, too

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Some quick background:

27, M, have struggled with hemorrhoids for a long time, which left me with a subconscious constant clenching of my kegel muscle. I didn't realize that I flexed the muscle all day every day until I decided to get into kegel exercises. This led me to focus on relaxing the muscle in daily life, while following a gentle kegel/reverse kegel routine which I thought would help my issues with low libido and poor erections.

Understood quickly that even careful kegeling is counterproductive and leaves me with no effect other than an immense urge to pee. These issues, paired with a bad porn habit and performance anxiety, led me to take my sexual health seriously and I dug into the literature on all things erection related, and I came over a guide for locating and training the IC (ischiocavernosus) muscle

I tried it, and with the help of some additional guides for locating the IC muscle, felt I was able to. Immediately after some flexing I got a rock solid erection. Tried some more and it got so intense I though I would orgasm. I'm fairly certain my pelvic floor is completely messed up, and after this, hopeful that training the IC will help balance things out. But I don't understand the immediacy and intensity of the effects after some short flexes of the muscle.

This was yesterday, and I tried again today with some longer flexes, and I almost had a hands free orgasm, stomach shaking and all, which has never happened during O before. Most intense thing I’ve felt in that regard.
Anyone with some knowledge of the anatomy have any thoughts about the mechanisms at play here?

Please help me find the IC muscle and help me to work it out.

So start to do a kegal but don’t go full kegal? Do this erect?

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I got so caught up, I forgot to answer the original question. Sorry about that.

I think the reason for the immediate results is very simple. We're talking about a skeletal muscle, and it's very likely that it pumped up just like a bicep would, which immediately helped it function to cut off outflow. It didn't work quite as fast for me, but I'm already noticing quicker engorgement with only mental stimulation, so hopefully as it grows from being worked the results will keep rolling in.