Pelvic exercise can fix venous leak ??

[Pegasus]

First thing if you have vl what are the results of your hormone test the actual numbers?

The study Al linked has not been challenged rather follow up studies useing pelvic floor exercises for ed have supported it . An issue here is that vl is a rather vague term and it's specific use haphazard . However if you want a more recent study that specifically refers to vl here is a reference.

How to cite this article: Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T. The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction. Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil 2014;41:179-86

How to cite this article: Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T. The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction. Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil 2014;41:179-86

There are significant numbers of men that are helped by pelvic exercise , more are helped by hormone improvement and more by various other treatments . An implant is a last ditch treatment suitable for a small % .

[Big Al]

All those who have venous leak and use Google are familiar with this old publication about pelvic floor exercise and venous leak. That document is almost 30 years old and there is not any similar documentation from this century. I have discussed with hundreds of men on different ED net sites who have venous leak and everybody is aware of Kegels. Almost everybody has tried those but no one has been able to get rid of the leak. There have been some very minor improvements but no real success. Kegels might help those who have ejaculation problems but they will not help with venous leak. I have suffered about venous leak all my life. I don't have any diseases. I was born with the leak. Currently I am thinking about the implant but I am also waiting new treatments for ED.

If you have a severe leak- especially something congenital- this is different from the case of most men with mild to moderate issues. If you've attempted kegels and have failed, this is no reason to assume others who aren't in your situation wouldn't benefit.

The age of the study should bear no relevance to the content, especially with a valid study of 150 men involved.

With all due respect, you are incorrect in stating there's been no further research done on kegels & VL. Here are some more modern studies on the subject:

The role of biofeedback in the rehabilitation of veno-occlusive erectile dysfunction Al-Helow MR, Abdul-Hady H, Fathalla MM, Zakaria MA, Hussein O, El Gahndour T - Egypt Rheumatol Rehabil

https://academic.oup.com/ptj/article/94/12/1731/2741899

Another issue which can contribute to VL is low T (see: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18599885/ )

Many have reversed their issues with the help of exercises like kegels, and a responsible medical professional or anyone with genuine concern for a patient's well being will recommend attempting the least invasive methods first.

[Big Al]

I guess it all depends on the cause of the venous leak. As a diabetic, pills and injections stopped being effective after five years and exercise had no effect. However, medical grade pumping worked and an implant, as a last resort, would probably work.

This is true. Medical cases need to be examined on their individual merit.

There's not always a simple solution, but the most sound way of proceeding is to test out the least invasive methods first. Be VERY wary of any entity who insists on such a dramatic action as an implant without attempting the less invasive methods first!

[not2big]

Exercises, pills, injections, and pumping with (VED), usually in that order, should all be tried first before opting for an implant.

[Maxz]

The world is full of documents of different kind of exercises done with patients who have erectile dysfunction. The link above of the Egyptian study of biofeedback does not convince me at all. The only way to know which approach to cure the ED works or not, is to get reports of those men who have gone through the method described. As I said already I have never read a report of a man who has cured venous leak by doing Kegels.

As an example you can also find studies that shockwave (or gainswave) treatment cures ED (and even venous leak) but in real life all men who have tried shockwave will tell you that the treatment is total crap and waste of money.

[Dangler]

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As an example you can also find studies that shockwave (or gainswave) treatment cures ED (and even venous leak) but in real life all men who have tried shockwave will tell you that the treatment is total crap and waste of money.

Stating ALL who have tried ?
Such a generalized statement to support your 'debate stance' is dangerous, at best.
Do you have a source for this claim ?

[Jay1983]

How exactly is this venous leak thing diagnosed? Ultrasound?

I apologize but I find OPs diagnosis to be bullshit.

[DickerSchwanz]

Maxsz... you researched a lot.. How is an erection created and maintained..?
How do the muscles of the Pelvic floor assist in keeping and maintaining an erection?
How and When is blood leaking out of the penis and

If you have Venous leak since birth.. how did that happen? How does it happen for other people?

[Pegasus]

Ok so Maxz you have been shown the studies that show guys geting over vl with pf exercises . There are more with other interventions like hormone improvement .


What you say simply does not ring true; if you are determined to wallow in negativity then you will find negative .

[Big Al]

....The only way to know which approach to cure the ED works or not, is to get reports of those men who have gone through the method described.

Better yet, the best approach would be for individuals to test these methods on their own.

As I said already I have never read a report of a man who has cured venous leak by doing Kegels.

The publications state just that, though. If you believe them to be falsified for whatever reason, that's on you. Providing evidence to the contrary about a study also puts the onus on you to show evidence of falsification.

To be clear, you stated before: "...and there is not any similar documentation from this century" in reference to these studies. Seeing as how you've been shown to be incorrect about this, perhaps you should reconsider your perspective along with the possibility you may be wrong about your assumptions as well.