Another injection question

**Audioman** · 12-30-2011

I am just having one hell of a time self injecting in my home. It doesn't really hurt but I think I have a phobia injecting a needle, albeit a tiny one, in my penis. The applicator makes a noise which sounds like a small sledgehammer while pushing on the syringe.
But, the biggest issue I have seems to be injecting at the proper location. The tech at the doctor's office said I was too high on my penis, should be closer to the base. So, I tried again last night and I must have been TOO low. Number 1, the medication didn't work and Number 2, my balls hurt like crap all night long. I was so hopeful - because I had twice my dosage (60 cc's) per the doctor's instruction.
I am getting weary of this. i would appreciate any words of experience anyone might share. I want to try again tomorrow night.

Thanks!

**JStars** · 12-31-2011

Audio,

(I just read your other post on same subject ... so re-edited this one )

Although lots of people like using an AutoInjector maybe your anxiety over the needle is being amplified by using it (with the noise and the quick JAB)? I just inject manually. Also I don't do it quickly, but really slowly (with little jab-pushes) so I can tell that I am hitting thru to the right spot. Finally I can tell that I am in the cavernosa by feeling less resistance when pressing the plunger down. All in all it has added up to 99% success rate over hundreds of injects.

Also on your 60cc's ... I assume that is .60cc or 60 units. You can correct your post so as not to confuse new readers.

From your other post it did sound like you had plain PGE-1 -- not Trimix. So that could account for some of the ache. Maybe not having been regularly stretching (using a VED pump) might also have made it achey when it did strart getting stretched out.

One thing I do after injecting ( about 1" up from base) is to then squeeze the base with thumb-forefinger for a couple minutes with the idea to keep the solution in and not flushing out. But I don't know if it matters or if it really works since I can just wave the bottle close by and get an erection.

The other thing is injection angle (9-10 o'clock) and (2-3 o'clock) positions?? What is your syringe needle length? Too long might go all the way thru a flaccid cavernosa tube. Too short might not go in at all.

Keep on trying ...

J

**Audioman** · 12-31-2011

I guess I can try to use the syringe sans auto injector. Can't be worse than what I am doing. I was told to inject at about 10 or 2 at a 90 degree angle. The tech actually centered the auto injector, which put the needle at about 1 or 1:30. I had the auto injector needle depth exactly as recommended but I can't help wondering if it was the correct depth, as you noted. My flaccid size is smallish so it could be an issue. So, please clarify when you inject; are you sticking the needle straight through in a line through the center of your penis? Or, are you injecting at more ofan angle (less than 90 degrees)? I am so ready for this to work. Yes, I believe the pain is partly because I have not been stretched in a while, a long while. So, I ma try a pump to ameliorate this.
Thanks for your very helpful response.

**Audioman** · 12-31-2011

Originally Posted by JStars

Audio,

(I just read your other post on same subject ... so re-edited this one )

Although lots of people like using an AutoInjector maybe your anxiety over the needle is being amplified by using it (with the noise and the quick JAB)? I just inject manually. Also I don't do it quickly, but really slowly (with little jab-pushes) so I can tell that I am hitting thru to the right spot. Finally I can tell that I am in the cavernosa by feeling less resistance when pressing the plunger down. All in all it has added up to 99% success rate over hundreds of injects.

Also on your 60cc's ... I assume that is .60cc or 60 units. You can correct your post so as not to confuse new readers.

From your other post is did sound like you had plain PGE-1 -- not Trimix. So that could account for some of the ache. Maybe not having been regularly stretching (using a VED pump) might also have made it achey when it did strart getting stretched out.

One thing I do after injecting ( about 1" up from base) is to then squeeze the base with thumb-forefinger for a couple minutes with the idea to keep the solution in and not flushing out. But I don't know if it matters or it it really works since I can just wave the bottle close by and get an erection.

The other thing is injection angle (9-10 o'clock) and (2-3 o'clock) positions?? What is your syringe needle length? Too long might go all the way thru a flaccid cavernosa tube. Too short might not go in at all.

Keep on trying ...

J

One more question...I wonder why the doc prescribed PGE in lieu of trimix? It seems like the trimix is well thought of on this forum, with few side effects and little pain. I may ask to try it.

**JStars** · 12-31-2011

Audio,

So, please clarify when you inject; are you sticking the needle straight through in a line through the center of your penis? Or, are you injecting at more of an angle (less than 90 degrees)? I am so ready for this to work.

You are right to be questioning the 90-degree angle idea. A person could easily think that might mean sticking in with a completely flat shallow angle or even a completely vertical angle. Neither of those would be correct.

http://www.tvofyourlife.com/images/1...khighlogo2.jpg

There's the 12 O'clock High symbol ... This one is good since it shows the 90-degree angles they are talking about at every hour bar.
You would insert the syringe so it was exactly straight into any of those flat end surfaces (representing side of your penis).

Also remember that the twin cavernosa mean you really have two cylinders you can shoot for -- and except for really spreading the shots around I would avoid 1 O'clock and just try around 2 O'clock or 3 O'clock. The 90 degree thing is flexible too. Since your penis might be flatter/oval on top then the needle angle at the 2 O'clock is really angled out a ways from vertical towards right or left depending on which side you are doing.

Trying the inject by hand sounds good to me also. It might be less stressful.

Yeah some docs, on principle, only use PGE-1 since that is the only ingredient that is FDA approved. Their insurance may even require only FDA approved meds for all I know ( i think the VA might be anal like that). Also, since there is nothing compounded, they can dispense the PGE-1 solution themselves (or their in-house pharmacy can do it) into a vial, or just dole out the wicked expensive Edex kits.

Hope you have some luck next time. If you are still trying to 'get it right' then just try every 24 hrs .. no need to wait 48 hrs or whatever. Just 'average every two days' -- but you can do daily a few days in a row as long as it does not become a permanent habit. Or maybe it can be a habit as long as you monitor for no scarring/nodules etc.

J

**not2big** · 12-31-2011

Originally Posted by JStars

Audio,
Also I don't do it quickly, but really slowly (with little jab-pushes) so I can tell that I am hitting thru to the right spot. Finally I can tell that I am in the cavernosa by feeling less resistance when pressing the plunger down. All in all it has added up to 99% success rate over hundreds of injects.

The other thing is injection angle (9-10 o'clock) and (2-3 o'clock) positions?? What is your syringe needle length? Too long might go all the way thru a flaccid cavernosa tube. Too short might not go in at all
J

I agree. This is the secret to getting it right. If you inject manually, you can feel the needle hit a slight resistance (the cc wall) and then feel it move in more easily as it passes through. If you depress the plunger, the liquid easily flows in. If you felel continued resistance or the liquid does not flow easily, you have missed the mark and the needle is either embedded in the wall or has glanced off the wall.

With an auto injector, you will not have the "feel" to guide you.

**Audioman** · 12-31-2011

Not to overly complicate the point but just need some clarification. The needle length is about 1/2", maybe a tad longer. So, if I inject at say the 2:00 position, I would keep the needle 90 degrees to the surface, and "aim" for the 8:00 position?? This should keep the tip of the needle in the cavernosa. Is this correct?
Thanks so much for your help.

**not2big** · 12-31-2011

Originally Posted by Audioman

Not to overly complicate the point but just need some clarification. The needle length is about 1/2", maybe a tad longer. So, if I inject at say the 2:00 position, I would keep the needle 90 degrees to the surface, and "aim" for the 8:00 position?? This should keep the tip of the needle in the cavernosa. Is this correct?
Thanks so much for your help.

You outlined a good technique. I personally use a 5/16 inch needle. If your's is 1/2 plus, do not give it the extra push when the hilt meets the skin.

**Audioman** · 01-02-2012

Originally Posted by not2big

You outlined a good technique. I personally use a 5/16 inch needle. If your's is 1/2 plus, do not give it the extra push when the hilt meets the skin.

Good news on one front. I just used the needle without the autoinjector device; as you guys have reported, this is the way to go. It went in easily and I can better guide it. I will use this moving forward.
But, unfortunately, I obtained a larger and harder penis but not near hard enough for sex. This is with double the dosage they originally prescribed to me. i don't know what is going on. I figure I'll try one more time and then call the doctor.
But, I am very encouraged with the success of the injection. That damn autojector stressed me out.

I think I'll ask the doctor about the trimix medication and why he didn't prescribe this. Is there any place to buy the trimix on the internet?

**JStars** · 01-02-2012

Audio,

Good to hear that you are progressing in the right direction (UP).

But, I am very encouraged with the success of the injection. That damn autojector stressed me out.

I think I'll ask the doctor about the trimix medication and why he didn't prescribe this. Is there any place to buy the trimix on the internet?

There are a few pharmacies that do compounding and then ship via mail (maybe all of them ??).
Here is one that, although I have not used it except for Trimix-Gel has expanded out into Trimix for injection also:

American Pharmacy Solutions

I am thinking of using them since their trimix is half the cost of local pharmacy. Also you will see on the .pdf printable sheet that they have a really strong trimix of 47mcg / 30mg / 1mg ... That might be what you need since you seem to be a Non-Responder to PGE-1 (except for the ache).

J