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    Recently out of 10 year relationship.. Dropped 30 pounds of fat, getting healthier.. In a new relationship, very happy until.. Some ED.. Delayed ejaculation also (might be mental)

    Had some concerns about T levels.. Late to hit puberty, trouble building muscle, hair loss, lower libido

    Went to see a urologist and explained the whole 9 yards.. Testosterone came back at 267. He says its on the low side but normal is 175-760? And I'm not low enough for TRT?

    End result was he is sending me what he claims was AMA recommended DHEA 25 and we'll do a follow up blood test to see how I react..

    Any advice?

  • #2
    Originally posted by flapper82 View Post
    Recently out of 10 year relationship.. Dropped 30 pounds of fat, getting healthier.. In a new relationship, very happy until.. Some ED.. Delayed ejaculation also (might be mental)

    Had some concerns about T levels.. Late to hit puberty, trouble building muscle, hair loss, lower libido

    Went to see a urologist and explained the whole 9 yards.. Testosterone came back at 267. He says its on the low side but normal is 175-760? And I'm not low enough for TRT?

    End result was he is sending me what he claims was AMA recommended DHEA 25 and we'll do a follow up blood test to see how I react..

    Any advice?
    DHEA might help a bit - but you'll have to check E2 (Estradiol) and PRL; Prolactin levels to see what the deal is and what is causing it..for example, if your estrogen level is high..then DHEA might just aggravate the issue...so you have to get to the ROOT cause of the low T level..could also be from various operations; psych meds, testicular injury during sports or excessive bike riding...there's TONS of potential contributing factors!!

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    • #3
      Same for me bro. Im at 261. Still in the normal range. Yeah, maybe for an 80 year old. Problem is there is no fix for low T besides testosterone. Thats why I cycle 3 months on 3 months off until I have kids, then its HRT from then on. Drs are worthless on this subject. Im not soft dick when my test is in the toilet. Show me somebody with a high sex drive and that can build muscle with T levels mid 200s. Thats right. Nobody.
      Start 3.16.15 - 7bpel, 6bpel, 5meg

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      • #4
        No way, dmizzle. The first GP who ordered a test told me that my 202 was perfectly normal- even though I complained about ED. He then referred me to the first urologist, a 60+ year old doc. He took another t-test, told me that my 230 was normal but then referred me to a urologist who specializes in ED.

        He then performed a doppler ultrasound and diagnosed me with a venous leak initially, until he reviewed my t-tests from the last urologist. He then informed me that my t-levels were far from normal, and that I had low t, and that he suspects this was the cause of my venous leak/ED.

        Absolutely right. 261 is not normal. The urologists of America designated as 300 and < as hypogonadism.

        Even for an 80-year old, from what I've read, 200 is not a normal T-level.

        4.5 months ago I started Clomifene Citrate- a female fertility drug in lieu of Testosterone Injections. If you are secondary hypogonadal, then Clomid should work for you and boost your T- naturally. Secondary is a problem with your glands, such as pituitory.

        After starting Clomid, I began getting stronger erections. Morning wood. Increased muscular capabilities- as like you, I work out. Huge difference in work outs since starting Clomid. Despite years of fitness, nobody asks me if I go to the gym, now I get random comments. 360 degree change there.

        The "venous" leak I had seems to have gone away most days. It was much better after the 2nd month, I felt like I had viagra in me all the time (but unlike before, I had also sex drive instead of erection.) Sensitivity and intensity also greatly increased. My Estradiol/Estrogen levels skyrocketed, so I cut the dose of Clomid to 25mg from 50. Made a good difference. I will now have a nucleur bone scan before trying Armidex, an Estrogen blocker used for breast cancer.

        Clomid is good for us but Estrogen goes up.

        Don't accept his words, basic research online shows that professionals do not consider your T levels acceptable at all. You need treatment. Try Clomifene before injections. If it works, you don't have primary but secondary and you can maintain your fertility.
        Life struggle with extreme erectile dysfunction since I was 15. Diagnosed with venous leak. When I turned 30-years old, I found out I had hypogonadism (low testosterone) and sub-clinical hypothyroidism. TRT can be a cure for venous leak if you are hypogonadal.

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        • #5
          I was able to build muscle and have high sex drive with low to mid 200 levels. Now with try it is easier. Levels in the 400-450 range.
          ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wishful10x8 View Post
            I was able to build muscle and have high sex drive with low to mid 200 levels. Now with try it is easier. Levels in the 400-450 range.
            your lucky, the symptoms are not uniform per person.
            why don't you seek more then 400+? last time i checked, clomid got me to 800 from 200 and i feel much improved.
            to the op, do some more testing and talk to a doctor who knows what he is talking about. 175, i felt like i was dying at 200. average for our age is around 650.
            Life struggle with extreme erectile dysfunction since I was 15. Diagnosed with venous leak. When I turned 30-years old, I found out I had hypogonadism (low testosterone) and sub-clinical hypothyroidism. TRT can be a cure for venous leak if you are hypogonadal.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by flapper82 View Post
              Recently out of 10 year relationship.. Dropped 30 pounds of fat, getting healthier.. In a new relationship, very happy until.. Some ED.. Delayed ejaculation also (might be mental)

              Had some concerns about T levels.. Late to hit puberty, trouble building muscle, hair loss, lower libido

              Went to see a urologist and explained the whole 9 yards.. Testosterone came back at 267. He says its on the low side but normal is 175-760? And I'm not low enough for TRT?

              End result was he is sending me what he claims was AMA recommended DHEA 25 and we'll do a follow up blood test to see how I react..

              Any advice?
              At age 49, my t level was 419. I thought it was low for my age. I was working out intensely for six days a week. Perfect diet.

              I focused on getting more sleep, took a few supplements, multi vitamin/vitamin d/selenium ( nuts)/zinc and cod liver oil. Added a little more fat to my diet as well. Within a month my t level rose to 527. The urologist asked me what I was doing and told him. He said keep doing it. Quality sleep is the key !!!!!!!

              Your body builds t while you sleep.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wishful10x8 View Post
                I was able to build muscle and have high sex drive with low to mid 200 levels. Now with try it is easier. Levels in the 400-450 range.
                Yeah, some people have very exceptional neurotransmitter systems and / or genetics; one question people always maintain ' why some teenagers who look anorexic and show no signs of high testosterone, still have high out of control libido's ' ....and the answer is not always so simple - we know that Testosterone plays a role - and that it certainly plays a role in 'mate selection' - aka the type of girl/body shape you like..high testosterone males tend to prefer 'thicker' sort of high E-2 females but not fat..just voluptuous sort of... although, me personally - I like girls on the more lean and fit side...certainly not anorexic; but not the distorted modern day definition of 'thick' either..which seems to be intertwined and justified despite not being so.

                Some of the major studies really focus on the spinal nerve connections ...it's possible that there are some individuals with super ridiculously high glutamate and dopamine that it provides that surging, need to be qwelled all day libido where something 'must be done'.....but in these individuals - if they also have lower-lowish testosterone levels..will probably never really grow up nor be attractive to more sensible and mature girls...

                High test levels make you more appealing to the opposite sex; but mainly in girls whom know what they want and don't deny their instincts to find the best partner.....

                Since male pheromones INFLUENCE female fertility when smelled - it is actually true that there is less chance of conception from a low T male even if the women is fertile; not just because of seminal/sperm quality but because the induction of hormonal responses will be on the low side if that 'fertile' girl is around a guy who produces low pheromones..thus high testosterone males are both pheromonally and biologically demanding as a 'probable' 'optimal' copulative partner.

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                • #9
                  Went to see an endocrinologist. New bloodwork, same low results (ranges on the right). Started me on 1/2 pill of clomid and a weight loss drug called contrave. I'm 5'11 210 pounds but he said I qualify as obese. Today is day 1.


                  FSH and LH
                  FSH 2.2 1.5 - 12.4 mIU/mL
                  (LH) 2.4 1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL

                  Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
                  Glucose 78 65 - 100 mg/dL
                  Urea Nitrogen 1 6 - 20 mg/dL
                  Creatinine 1.01 0.70 - 1.30 mg/dL
                  BUN/Creatinine Ratio 11.9 Ratio
                  eGFR 87 >=60 mL/min/1.73m2
                  eGFR (Afr. Amer.) 104 >=60 mL/min/1.73m2
                  Sodium 142 136 - 145 mmol/L
                  Potassium 5 3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L
                  Chloride 100 98 - 107 mmol/L
                  Carbon Dioxide 31 21 - 32 mmol/L
                  Calcium 9.9 8.6 - 10.4 mg/dL
                  Protein, Total 7.5 6.2 - 8.3 g/dL
                  Albumin 5.0 3.5 - 5.2 g/dL
                  Globulin 2.5 g/dL
                  A/G Ratio 2.0 Ratio
                  Bilirubin, Total 0.7 0.0 - 1.2 mg/dL
                  AST (SGOT) 48 H 0 - 40 U/L
                  ALT (SGPT) 30 0 - 41 U/L
                  Alkaline Phosphatase 40 - 129 U/L

                  Complete Blood Count
                  WBC 1 3.8 - 10.5 10E3/uL
                  RBC 5.00 4.20 - 5.80 10E6/uL
                  Hemoglobin 15.1 13.5 - 17.5 g/dL
                  Hematocrit 42.9 38.8 - 50.0 Percent
                  MCV 85.8 82.0 - 100.0 fL
                  MCH 30.2 26.0 - 34.0 pg
                  MCHC 35.2 32.0 - 36.0 g/dL
                  RDW 11.8 - 15.6 Percent
                  Platelets 299 150 - 450 10E3/uL
                  MPV 9.7 7.0 - 13.0 fL
                  Neutrophils 64 43.0 - 77.0 Percent
                  Lymphocytes 26 15.0 - 46.0 Percent
                  Monocytes 8 2.0 - 14.0 Percent
                  Eosinophils 2 0 - 6 Percent
                  Basophils 0 0 - 2 Percent
                  Neutrophils, Absolute 6610 1650-8500 10E3/uL
                  Lymphocytes, Absolute 2660 1000-3850 10E3/uL
                  Monocytes, Absolute 790 30-850 10E3/uL
                  Eosinophils, Absolute 190 0-600 10E3/uL
                  Basophils, Absolute 20 0-120 10E3/uL
                  TSH 1.72 0.270 - 4.20 uIU/mL

                  Prolactin 14.0 4.04 - 15.2 ng/mL
                  Estradiol [1] 21.88 L 23.8-60.7 pg/mL
                  Testosterone, Total [2] 257.6 249 - 836 ng/dL

                  Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
                  PSA, Total [3] 0.43 0 - 4.0 ng/mL

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by flapper82 View Post
                    Went to see an endocrinologist. New bloodwork, same low results (ranges on the right). Started me on 1/2 pill of clomid and a weight loss drug called contrave. I'm 5'11 210 pounds but he said I qualify as obese. Today is day 1.


                    FSH and LH
                    FSH 2.2 1.5 - 12.4 mIU/mL
                    (LH) 2.4 1.7 - 8.6 mIU/mL

                    Prolactin 14.0 4.04 - 15.2 ng/mL
                    Estradiol [1] 21.88 L 23.8-60.7 pg/mL
                    Testosterone, Total [2] 257.6 249 - 836 ng/dL

                    Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
                    PSA, Total [3] 0.43 0 - 4.0 ng/mL
                    According to this, you ARE hypogonadal, and should see a DOC. Those numbers need to come up a bit.
                    The Prolactin, though on the normal range, is still elevated and not in ideal shape..so consider adding Mucuna Pruriens 40% L-DOPA extract to your stack..or introducing it as your first , if not already..take Essentials like Vitamin D, E, B6 (high dose P-5-P preferably), Zinc, Magnesium and Manganese - with SPECIAL EMPHASIS on Vitamin D and Zinc/Magnesium but also on P-5-P and Vitamin E.

                    Lift Weights, but don't do it to the point of over-training, seek a personal trainer if necessary..and MOST IMPORTANTLY cut stress down!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Saskman View Post
                      No way, dmizzle. The first GP who ordered a test told me that my 202 was perfectly normal- even though I complained about ED. He then referred me to the first urologist, a 60+ year old doc. He took another t-test, told me that my 230 was normal but then referred me to a urologist who specializes in ED.

                      He then performed a doppler ultrasound and diagnosed me with a venous leak initially, until he reviewed my t-tests from the last urologist. He then informed me that my t-levels were far from normal, and that I had low t, and that he suspects this was the cause of my venous leak/ED.

                      Absolutely right. 261 is not normal. The urologists of America designated as 300 and < as hypogonadism.

                      Even for an 80-year old, from what I've read, 200 is not a normal T-level.

                      4.5 months ago I started Clomifene Citrate- a female fertility drug in lieu of Testosterone Injections. If you are secondary hypogonadal, then Clomid should work for you and boost your T- naturally. Secondary is a problem with your glands, such as pituitory.

                      After starting Clomid, I began getting stronger erections. Morning wood. Increased muscular capabilities- as like you, I work out. Huge difference in work outs since starting Clomid. Despite years of fitness, nobody asks me if I go to the gym, now I get random comments. 360 degree change there.

                      The "venous" leak I had seems to have gone away most days. It was much better after the 2nd month, I felt like I had viagra in me all the time (but unlike before, I had also sex drive instead of erection.) Sensitivity and intensity also greatly increased. My Estradiol/Estrogen levels skyrocketed, so I cut the dose of Clomid to 25mg from 50. Made a good difference. I will now have a nucleur bone scan before trying Armidex, an Estrogen blocker used for breast cancer.

                      Clomid is good for us but Estrogen goes up.

                      Don't accept his words, basic research online shows that professionals do not consider your T levels acceptable at all. You need treatment. Try Clomifene before injections. If it works, you don't have primary but secondary and you can maintain your fertility.
                      how long does clomid takes to start doing effect?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dmizzle View Post
                        Same for me bro. Im at 261. Still in the normal range. Yeah, maybe for an 80 year old. Problem is there is no fix for low T besides testosterone. Thats why I cycle 3 months on 3 months off until I have kids, then its HRT from then on. Drs are worthless on this subject. Im not soft dick when my test is in the toilet. Show me somebody with a high sex drive and that can build muscle with T levels mid 200s. Thats right. Nobody.
                        I it well known that a variety of natural methods significantly improve test levels.

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                        • #13
                          I keep seeing commercials that TRT causes heat attack and stroke. This is what scares me about TRT.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jackjohnson View Post
                            I keep seeing commercials that TRT causes heat attack and stroke. This is what scares me about TRT.
                            Everything has negative side-effects, but remember that TRT is just that: replacment of a natural hormone, not like ingesting some chemically altered junk or manufactured medication.
                            Also keep in mind that drug companies are required to report ALL possible side-effects from their clinical trials, even down to miniscule percentages (say one person out of five hundred experienced said side-effect).

                            If you look at the side-effects of just a plain, old aspirin you'll likely not take one again!
                            ​Li'l Uncle Reamus

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jackjohnson View Post
                              I keep seeing commercials that TRT causes heat attack and stroke. This is what scares me about TRT.
                              It is way more complex than it sounds. The side effects from TRT usually come from severe under-nitrified bodies and pre existing anomalies, but not the TRT itself. Still, is not the safest route to go. As Pegasus points out, there are multiple ways to improve your hormone levels naturally and is always better to try that first before any drug.

                              One thing TRT will do for sure, once you go on TRT, is pretty much for life, and you will suppress any ability of your body to ever recover naturally healthy hormone levels.

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