Ischiocavernosus exersice for venous leakage

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

My problem is venous leakage. I've had it all my life. The only cure for that seems to be an implant. I am till checking all other possibilities before I take the final step for that.

I read a great comment about ischiocavernosus muscle from here:

https://www.*************.org/mens-s...-revealed.html

The first message on that thread tells about that muscle. Now I am ready to concentrate to it and have looked for some good exercises. I've found some links for those but all they seems top be different.

Has somebody done exercise to this muscle? How did it go and how was those exercises done?

Maxz

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How did you come to the conclusion of venous leakage ? Was this a Doctor's diagnosis ?
We see many users who have become their own Dr, and reached their own conclusion.

That said, you may have an interesting chain of events/history to share with us.

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Sorry that I did not say it in my first post but I've been in a doppler test and the diagnosis was venous leakage. I noticed that something is wrong when I was 17-18 years old. I took a long time to find out the reason for my poor erections. In the beginning I was told that I have mental problems that cause the loss of erections. I did not agree with that because I felt myself that the blood circulation was not ok. My erections were poor and I've never had straight up or a 45 degree erection.

I tried sex with some girls but the result was dreadful and humiliating. I was and still am a handsome man and getting women is not a problem to me. When I was about 20 years old I started to avoid situations that would end to sex. Some of the girls that were interested in me thought (and probably still think) that I am homosexual because I did not have sex with them. I will not go through the details but my life has been miserable. Viagra save it because I could have sex with that for a long time. But after about 10 years the effect of it started to go down. Currently I am using injections but I hate it. It is a brutal way to get an erection and it does not work as well as Viagra did when it worked.

So there it is in a nutshell. My life without a proper erection. My own theory is that the reason for my situation is masturbation that I started even before I could get erection. That may sound strange but that is possible. My penis is thinner from the base and I believe it is somehow "under-developed" from that part.

But now I'm interested about this ischiocavernosus muscle. I have tried basic Kegels but they don't help my erection. In fact if I do the Kegels my erection will be poorer.

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Hey Maxz!

Welcome to the Gym.

I have encountered a similar problem although my ED is primarily a result of diabetes and I did not start loosing my erections until about ten years ago when I was 63.

Viagra worked well for about 6 years although I had to gradually increase the dosage until 100 mgs could no longer get the job done. I injected successfully for two years but over the last year the effectiveness declined until even 75 units of Trimix was not effective.

i am considering an implant; however, in the meantime I am able to perform with the use of a vacuum erection device (VED). A specially designed penis pump which allows a tight constriction band to be slipped onto the base of of the pumped erection which maintains the erection for up to 15 minutes before the erection starts to loose sensitivity and needs to be removed after 20 minutes to avoid possible damage.

There is a lot of good information regarding implants and pumping at franktalk.org.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

What was the results of your hormone tests ,numbers please not "normal".?

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Start a progress thread in regard to your kegel training . You will need to be able to do standard kegel and reverse kegel you can then break these down into front and back versions . A IS kegel is then a further isolation of front kegel .

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By the way getting your pelvic floor muscles out of balance is a bad idea.

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

Thanks for relating the history, it allows perspective & respect for the situation you have to manage.

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

Hormone tests were first done when I was 21 years old. The result was well over average.

The result has been later the same. I do not have the numbers but it is not important. There is time of the latest test. Of course there might be some change as I am not a young man anymore. I will talk about this if my "shockwave trip" does not bring good results.

I understand that the training of the ischiocavernosus muscle might bring some problems as I got those with kegels. But I must try everything that there is.

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What problems did you have with kegels ?

You will need a progress thread to take in k/rk type exercises and also lifestyle factors.

[marinera Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close marinera]

Doppler test is inaccurate for Venous Leakage diagnosis:



The false diagnosis of venous leak: prevalence and predictors.


Teloken PE¹, Park K, Parker M, Guhring P, Narus J, Mulhall JP.

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Abstract

INTRODUCTION:


As a vascular test, dynamic infusion cavernosometry (DIC) has lost popularity, and in the urologic community, penile duplex Doppler ultrasound (DUS) has become the sole test to investigate a vascular etiology of erectile dysfunction. Vasoactive agent redosing has been shown to increase the accuracy of DUS.
AIM:

To define the erectile hemodynamics in men with previously diagnosed venous leak on DUS.
METHODS:

Prospective data were collected on patients who (i) had been given a diagnosis of venous leak based on an outside DUS; (ii) elected to undergo a repeat DUS; and (iii) when the repeat DUS suggested venous leak, underwent DIC.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

DUS: peak systolic velocity and end-diastolic velocity. DIC: flow to maintain.
RESULTS:


292 patients were included. Mean ± standard deviation age was 44 ± 26 years. On repeat DUS, 19% (56/292) had completely normal hemodynamics and 7% (20/292) had arterial insufficiency only without venous leak. DIC revealed normal hemodynamics in 13% (38/292), while in 58% (152/292) of patients, the venous leak diagnosis was confirmed. Overall, 47% (137/292) of patients who had been given a diagnosis of venous leak had completely normal hemodynamics, and in only 43% (126/292), the venous leak diagnosis was confirmed upon repeat vascular testing. On multivariable analysis, younger age (<45 years), failure to obtain an adequate erection during the original DUS, and having <2 vascular risk factors were predictive of a false diagnosis of venous leak.
CONCLUSIONS:

Penile DUS has a propensity to inaccurately assign a diagnosis of venous leak. Great care should be taken when performing DUS especially in younger men without a significant vascular risk factor history, and the failure to obtain a good erection should make the clinician cautious in assigning a diagnosis of venous leak. Furthermore, there still exists a role for cavernosometry, which appears to have a greater accuracy at diagnosing venous leak.

The false diagnosis of venous leak: prevalence and predictors. - PubMed - NCBI



Venous leakage seems to have not much to do with pelvic floor muscles, neither with defects in veins, it is more likely a problem of loss of elasticity of tunica albuginea fibers:



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Conclusion


Study has shown that during erection intracorporal pressure of patients with venogenic erectile dysfunction was significantly lower than that of controls. Tunica albuginea collagen fibers exhibited degenerative and atrophic changes which presumably lead to tunica albuginea subluxation and floppiness. These tunica albuginea changes seem to explain cause of lowered intracorporal pressure which apparently results from loss of tunica albuginea veno-occlusive mechanism. Causes of tunica albuginea atrophic changes and subluxation need to be studied.


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On the pathogenesis of penile venous leakage: role of the tunica albuginea

I would suggest cautious and progressive jelqing to improve your condition. It will be a very slow process though.

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Results of hormone tests actual numbers.

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

In my case the venous leakage is definitely the problem. I've known that since I was 17 years old that the blood comes out faster that goes in. The base of my penis is much thinner than the rest of it. There is not enough pressure to close the veins enough to keep the erection. The reason is probably that the tunica is too thin and too tight. The fix should be to add some filling there or make other changes but I guess that there is not such treatment. I think that it should be easier to make surgical improvements to the structure of the penis than to operate with arteries or veins.

I think that jelqinq might make things worse. It seems quite brutal.

My hormones are ok.

[marinera Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close marinera]

The base of my penis is thinner than the rest too, but I don't have venous leakage.

It the tunica was tight, the blood wouldn't come out fast. I would strongly discourage the surgical route, whatever any doctor could tell you.

[Maxz Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maxz]

I was told in 1998 that I am too old to surgical operations to my penis. Meaning operation to the veins or something like that. Then they prescribed me more Viagra and asked me to go away.

The base is thinner and it also stays quite soft when I have my "erection".